From: Steele, Kirk A (SteeleKA@nafm.misawa.af.mil)
Date: Mon Jan 07 2002 - 02:53:31 MST
Joe, Chime in here on this one. Yash is purporting the creation of a
language (Vedic math) to fit a previously constructed meme (Pi), such that
it can be proved that this language, through the meter of it's verse
mathematically proves the exsistance of some mystical fluffy-earred
white-bunniness of a GATOR BAIT proposal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Yash [mailto:yashk2000@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:45 PM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: Mermaid, a lady of faith making a phule of herself?
Yes, there's a better way to spend our neural energy and time: for example,
for you people who just won't understand the existing, why not try to see
how we can build such a language?
1. I would start with an alphabet, and add in a gematric system (i.e. each
letter also has a numerical value).
2. Then, I think I'd render the values of vowels null. Why? Because it would
give more flexibility when building words from the coded message.
3. Next, try to encode some interesting values and concepts into
easy-to-remember sentences or words (words that rhyme would be best, but not
necessarily the easiest thing to do).
In this respect since the language is both used for describing words and
numbers, it can be used as a mathematical language too.
Some people are blatantly blind to some things when they want too. Like in
"it's a language, it's not mathematical". As if mathematics is not a type of
language. We use symbols and numbers in mathematics. It is a language. Now
if that language could also be written more naturally, we would have an
efficient system of storing mathematical data.
I'd rather try to code basic principles. The more advanced formulae can be
derived by searchers after a while. So it's about coding, compression, for
easy storage and retrieval (from memory) and then decompression for
application.
Yash.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
Of Steele, Kirk A
L'erm,
Lemme simplify this discussion a wee bit. 'Creative' steganography
don't cut it folks. The steganographic method as a formal system insists on
declared a priori structure. To para quote Douglas Adams, "A thousand
monkeys (vedic or hessitic) pounding on a thousand typewriters for a
thousand years will eventually come up with a coherent sentance"
You have to apply a systematic filter over the EN-FREAKING-TIRE body
of text for the method to be valid. One filter applied to one paragraph to
"retrieve" (keyword that, it doesn't mean 'create')the text "the hand of
god" must be applied to ALL other paragraphs, even if it yields the
plaintext "is up the ass of a mule".
Oh, and one more thing folks, it has to be applied to the
untranslated text. So any mention of this method to the bible is out. Does
anybody know how many DIFFERENT original languages make up that collection
of gibberish?
The other test of a theory is it's longevity and reproducability;
back to " a thousand monkeys". Does the cyrptographic culture of
mathematical monkeys have any truck with this argument. If the answer is a
resounding "WHAT?! A YOU FREAKIN STONED?!" Then there must be another one of
those "miraculous" conspiracy theories afoot.
Knock it off folks, there are more creative ways to waste neural
pathways. I for one am all for the #3 Have you appeared in any pornographic
movies - venure of wasting pathways.
Kirkasaurus Wrecks
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