From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Jan 10 2002 - 17:47:44 MST
On 11 Jan 2002 at 0:28, Orlando Moltisanti wrote:
Of we catch him alive and he has instructed his entourage to kill him
before allowing that to happen), we should have a Muslim cleric behead
him with a blade greased in hog lard (and there are many Muslim
clerics who would jump at the chance), and bury him in an unmarked
grave, without benefit of religious ritual, swn in the belly of a sow.
>
> Bill Roh wrote:
> "I must have missed it - but I do not think it weird that people take joy
> from
> the death and destruction of Osama and the Taliban. I certainly smile at the
> thought of their demise - bloody or not - and if I could, would cheerfully
> participate. I'm sorry, but I do not see a value in hiding behind the guise
> of "higher morals" to hide fear or an over zealous love of human life in all
> cases. Some people need to be killed for the betterment of the rest just as
> some need to be helped."
>
> I respond by a quote from Arthur Miller's "A View From The Bridge", Alfieri
> (a lawyer) is trying to explain to Marco (an Italian illegal immigrant) why
> he shouldn't resort to physical violence against the man who informed on
> him:
> "MARCO IS STARING AWAY. ALFIERI TAKES ONE OF HIS HANDS.
> Alfieri:This is not God, Marco. You hear? Only God makes justice."
>
> As I hope is illustrated by the point, how do people have the right to
> decide who lives or dies? Maybe Mr. BinLaden and his comrades should have
> understood this, but just because THEY didn't, doesn't mean the US
> shouldn't. We should be able to see "above" Mr. BinLaden's religion crazed
> form of "justice" and calmly try to capture him and his followers ALIVE!
> They must be tried by a fair court and sentenced to a certain period of
> punishment. They must NOT be executed because how can the West possibly
> condemn Osama if they, when provoked are willing to jump do exactly the same
> as he. I repeat, who are we to judge whether he should live or die? Also,
> execution would be by no means a harsh punishment for Mr. BinLaden; if he
> truly believes in Allah and his teachings, then he must believe that if
> killed he will go straight to paradise and become a martyr to the cause. Mr.
> BinLaden would be a danger to society if not imprisoned and that is why I
> feel that imprisonment is perfectly valid, but EXECUTION (!?) - no way. When
> some Greek philosopher in a roman epic I saw (I think it was called the fall
> of the r. empire or summut - with Sophia Lauren <sorry if that's not how you
> spell it>) won over the respect of some "barbarians" and got them to follow
> the law of Rome, he did so by enduring a burning torch that was pressed
> against his hand, not by yelling out and getting the guards to beat them -
> we can only be "right", as it were, (which in fact nothing can be,
> obviously) by showing that we have a "better" way, not by doing to them as
> they do to us. I know it's a phrase coined by a Judean preacher, but "turn
> the other cheek" pretty much applies here. I'm sure Osama had a right old
> laugh looking at the newspaper articles on the twin towers because he felt
> that the US was getting what it deserved for all it's "evil" deeds, and that
> is precisely why we must not do the same.
>
> Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo. Roly/Orly/Vinyacálë.
>
> Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo. Roly/Orly/Vinyacálë.
>
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