From: Bill Roh (billroh@churchofvirus.com)
Date: Fri Jan 25 2002 - 18:03:47 MST
This is not a correction to Joe - but it is a way to think around Joe. Our
Universe exists. We know that. Because it exists, one cannot rule out that it has
not happened before - seperately or will elsewhere. (even though there is no
elsewhere - I know it's tough to grapple with). The problem is that we cannot use
our notions of time and place to describe it. If there are other Universes there
is no way to get there from here - exchange energy - or to even be aware of their
existence. Instead of thinking of the Universe as all that is, think of it as all
there is and all we could, at the best, ever know.
Bill
joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On 25 Jan 2002 at 16:45, David Hill wrote:
>
> > Couldn't the God add energy from outside AND remove similar energy. Just
> > moving things around from an orthagonal direction as it were. If this was
> > done, we the observers looking for second law violations couldn't tell if
> > the 2nd law had been violated (say on a microscopic scale) and therefore it
> > wouldn't have been. If God causes a 2nd law violation and nobody notices,
> > did it really happen? I know, I know it's old but it's a goodie.
> >
> Universe means never getting to say 'outside'.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> > Of ben
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:32 PM
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: Re: virus: Kirk: Standing my ground
> >
> > <SNIP and I don't know what proper SNIPPING conventions are. I did like
> > Hermit's idea of mechanizing it, but can he get the project funded?>
> >
> > [Bill 0] Divine intervention would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics
> >
> > [ben 0] I don't follow that this is true.
> >
> > [Bill 1] It would voilate the 2nd because it means that energy from outside
> > the
> > universe would be input into this universe. Which means that there would be
> > a
> > surplus and a march away from entropy.
> >
> >
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