From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Jul 25 2002 - 10:56:59 MDT
On 25 Jul 2002 at 11:01, Walpurgis wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2002 at 3:56, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>
> > I do not wish to debate whether or not the rape and murder of a five-
> > year old is wrong; I wish to incarcerate the perpetrator, and I worry
> > about those who consider it a debatable issue.
>
> Excellent use of emotive argument - you rationalists can do it after
> all!
>
> The relativity of this argument is not necessarily found in the crime,
> but the punishment.
>
> I would agree such an act is wrong. I would disagree that the
> offender needs incarceration. Rather, I would argue the criminal
> needs a different kind of justice - a kind that would facilitate a wider
> and the deep sense of empathy and respect in the criminal, which
> would result in the end of such behaviours.
>
In prison, the perpetrator would most likely become a serial/multiple
rape victim (inmates love to rape child molestors), and would then be
able to more clearly empathize with such a position in both a wider and
deeper context.
>
> Personally, I do not support either strand of the relativism vs
> absolutism debate - neither seem directly relevant to the everyday
> dilemmas and decisions-makings one must face. Negotiation with
> other moral agents is more likely to involve different issues that this
> rarified concern. (And intuitively, I sense a false dichotomy between
> the two positions as informed by our ancient Western dualistic
> ontologies.)
>
In which case you agree that not only every thing, but also everything,
cannot be (equally) relative; absolute relativism simply lacks identifiable
referents.
>
> Walpurgis
>
>
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