From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Jul 25 2002 - 16:19:43 MDT
On 26 Jul 2002 at 0:01, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
> ...that is a poor use of the word empathize. he would forcibly comiserate
> with her but that's about it. there is a very good chance that he feels bad
> about it presently...or even at the time, but his selfish drives, no matter
> how superficial are greater than his ability to empathize. this sort of
> condition is an impossible one to maintain within a community. if stranded
> on a desert island with a person of this sort the best thing to do would be
> to simply kill him the very first chance you got, since eventually he might
> have the impulse to do the same - and he'll probably follow it.
>
> ...on a side note however, i dont think being raped in a federal or state
> prison is something we should laugh or joke about. tell me, should the
> punishment for having 5grams of cocaine on you be a few years in prison AND
> forced anal rape over that same period with absolutely no protection from
> diseases etc.? you think that's funny? why do people condemn rapists like
> they were the devil himself, but some guy might be in the wrong place at the
> wrong time, or does something pretty bad but totally non-violent(steals a
> car?) -- and everyone is cheering for rape!?? please explain this to me.
>
I do not subscribe to penalties for victimless crimes, nor do I subscribe to mixing
violent and nonviolent inmates.
>
> drsebby.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re:virus: Postmodernism
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:56:59 -0500
>
> On 25 Jul 2002 at 11:01, Walpurgis wrote:
>
> > On 25 Jul 2002 at 3:56, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I do not wish to debate whether or not the rape and murder of a five-
> > > year old is wrong; I wish to incarcerate the perpetrator, and I worry
> > > about those who consider it a debatable issue.
> >
> > Excellent use of emotive argument - you rationalists can do it after
> > all!
> >
> > The relativity of this argument is not necessarily found in the crime,
> > but the punishment.
> >
> > I would agree such an act is wrong. I would disagree that the
> > offender needs incarceration. Rather, I would argue the criminal
> > needs a different kind of justice - a kind that would facilitate a wider
> > and the deep sense of empathy and respect in the criminal, which
> > would result in the end of such behaviours.
> >
> In prison, the perpetrator would most likely become a serial/multiple
> rape victim (inmates love to rape child molestors), and would then be
> able to more clearly empathize with such a position in both a wider and
> deeper context.
> >
> > Personally, I do not support either strand of the relativism vs
> > absolutism debate - neither seem directly relevant to the everyday
> > dilemmas and decisions-makings one must face. Negotiation with
> > other moral agents is more likely to involve different issues that this
> > rarified concern. (And intuitively, I sense a false dichotomy between
> > the two positions as informed by our ancient Western dualistic
> > ontologies.)
> >
> In which case you agree that not only every thing, but also everything,
> cannot be (equally) relative; absolute relativism simply lacks identifiable
> referents.
> >
> > Walpurgis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > http://www.noumenal.net/exiles
> >
> > Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, the government police
> > and other authorities can, with out a court order, demand that phone
> > companies, internet service providers and postal operators hand over
> > detailed information on individuals such as their name and address, phone
> > calls made and received, source and destination of emails, the identity
> of
> > websites visited and mobile phone location data, which is capable of
> > revealing the user's whereabouts at any given time and is accurate to
> > within a few hundred metres.
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,7369,731074,00.html
> >
> > http://www.faxyourMP.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
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