From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri Jul 26 2002 - 11:12:35 MDT
On 26 Jul 2002 at 12:50, Walpurgis wrote:
> On 26 Jul 2002 at 4:17, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> > > How fantastically twisted. Considering how thoughtful you usually
> > > seem
> > to be, I'm amazed you can make such an argument. I suppose you
> > believe
> > "cruel and unusual punishment" is fine then?
> > >
> > I rather view it as appropriately reciprocal; on fact, kinda
> > tit-for-tat.
>
> I see - eye for an eye.
>
> In which case, you moral system is opposed to mine and I'm not sure I could ever
> convince you otherwise. If the spiralling violence throughout history caused by the
> revenge ethic isn't enough to convince you of the idiocy (and irrationality) of this
> position, then I never will.
>
> > > Male rape in prisons is not going to help anyone
> > empathise.
>
> > Do you speak from experience? Are you a convicted rapist
> > subjected to such raw justice?
>
> Do you speak from experience? do you know that being raped in turn will help you
> empathise with your own victims?
>
> Don't be silly Joe, one can form opinions based on research and resulting
> discussion without having to personally experience the debated subject. If you
> believe otherwise, then you should be more quiet than you are.
>
> > > "Victims of rape often suffer
> > extreme psychological stress, a condition identified as "rape trauma
> > syndrome." Many inmate victims with whom Human Rights Watch has been
> > in contact have reported nightmares, deep depression, shame, loss of
> > self-esteem, self-hatred, and considering or attempting suicide. > And
> > out-of-prison rape victims do not? > > Another devastating consequence
> > of prisoner-on-prisoner rape discussed in the report is the
> > transmission of the HIV virus. Several prisoners with whom Human
> > Rights Watch is in contact believe that they have contracted HIV, the
> > virus that causes AIDS, through forced sexual intercourse in prison."
> > > Perhaps you should read http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/04/usrape
> > 0419.htm before pressing on with this foul argument.
>
> > And
> > out-of-prison rape victims do NOT have to deal with such fears?
>
> Of course they do! What is this question meant to illustrate? It does not soften the
> impact of prison rape.
>
> > Helping rapists (or any other criminal) empathise with their victim is
> > more complex than the bizarre and repulsive picture you paint.
>
> > > Sometimes the simplest is best (cf. Occam's Razor), especially when
> > we are dealing with individuals ruled by their reptilian brain stems.
>
> A sweeping and simplistic generalisation. I suppose all criminals can be dealt with
> such easy biological explanations.
>
> Walpurgis
>
Let me get this straight; my original example was of an adult male who RAPES
AND MURDERS a five year old girl, and you would NOT EVEN INCARCERATE
such a person!!??? Whaddaya wanna do; issue him a parking ticket and hope it's
an isolated offence? We indeed have nothing more to say to each other on the
issue, for there is nothing further I can say concerning the issue to a person who
holds and defends such a "beyond the pale' position.
>
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