From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat Jul 27 2002 - 20:08:35 MDT
On 28 Jul 2002 at 3:42, Dr Sebby wrote:
> ...i absolutely agree. the only issues are the death penalty question or
> torture. i dont think the state can endorse such things with the full
> knowledge that some of the convicts will be totally innocent people. if the
> evidence heavily implies guilt...take them off the streets, of course....but
> that's it. if they are innocent, at least they will then have the chance to
> prove it sometime down the road...behind bars, but still having a chance. i
> also think that people convicted on witness accounts only or wispy, easily
> faked evidence should have the opportunity to undergo lie-detector testing,
> and/or a sodium pentathol session or some sililar 'truth serum'..just to see
> if it matches up.
>
> drsebby.
>
I cannot see having a Timothy McVeigh spending the rest of a possibly
long life propagandizing to rally Order wannabees to follow in his
explosive footsteps, any more than I can see that there is any doubt
whatsoever that Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy did
indeed commit their savage strings of serial rape/murders.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: OZ
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:50:08 -0500
>
> On 27 Jul 2002 at 23:09, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
> >
> > ...this has always been true. and when considering punishments, we must
> > always consider the innocents within our prison system...oh, they ARE
> there!
> > and im sure a few child rape cases to boot...angry
> ex-wife...brainwashing
> > little jonny to point and agree.....etc. there is nothing more
> disturbing
> > than the thought of a totally innocent man sitting in prison for years
> > waiting for his execution - talk about angst!
> >
> > drsebby.
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "David McFadzean" <david@lucifer.com>
> > Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> > Subject: Re: virus: OZ
> > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:26:06 -0600
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > > I bring up the presently actually guilty (via DNA and other evidence),
> > > and you counter with the innocent, as Hermit counters with the
> possibly
> > > future transgressors.
> >
> > I didn't "counter" with anything, my question was an honest one.
> >
> > Do you disagree with my stated assumption that any conceivable practical
> > justice system will necessarily make some errors and convict the
> innocent?
> > If so, on what grounds?
> >
> No, but do you disagree with my statement that unless convicted
> murderers are removed from civil society, that many more innocents
> would die a their hands than would be accidentally executed under our
> civil justice system?
> >
> >
> > DrSebby.
> > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> >
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>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
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