From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri Aug 02 2002 - 12:04:46 MDT
On 2 Aug 2002 at 12:02, Mark Collins wrote:
> People like Mr Dees are acting as if the only way to solve the problems
> in the Middle East is with military force. This is wrong, and is more
> likely to create more problems down the line.
>
Allowing only one side to kill people means less problems, ayy? Maybe
for the one side doing the killing (in the name of their god). Maybe for
those on this list who would prefer to see the side they are killing be
completely killed off.
>
> First of all, what is the problem?
>
> Contrary to what some people would have us belive, it isn't Islam,
> it's abuse of the religion by some very charismaric people, such as
> Bin Laden and Hussein, through the use of extensive propganda which
> makes out the West uses military force to achieve its goals.
>
That is a time-honored solution for the religion; twenty-two out of
twenty-four global conflicts presently happening on the globe have, as
their participants on one or both sides, Islamic regimes. And guess
why? Because the religion is a fascist, world-conquering one, began by
a murderous mercernary.
>
> Guess what? The propaganda is right.
>
> And how do we attempt to fight this propaganda? By proving it correct
> time and time again. Everytime enough people believe the propaganda
> enough to give up their lives for it, the Western "civilisations" send
> in thousands of troops and bomb the place to hell, yet nobody seems
> concerned with fighting the propaganda.
>
The propaganda IS Islam' particularly that part, in the Koran, that
divides the world into two sectopns, the Dar-Al-Islami (world of Islam)
and the Dar-Al-Harb (world of War). BY DEFINITION, if you're not
Islamic, war is to be made on you, until the global Ummah.
>
> A much mroe reasonible plan of attack would be to destroy the
> propaganda, by sending teachers, doctors and medicine into the middle
> east. The costs of a single cruise missile can pay a teachers salary
> for a year, and I'm sure there are some who would even volumteer to go
> for free. The fuel for a single air-raid would cover expenses for an
> army of doctors.
>
We have many such people and programs in place, or haven't you
heard? The occasional one is kidnapped or killed for the greater glory
of Allah and to prevent a nasty thing like knowledge form corrupting
faith, but still they go to teach, provide medical care, and distribute
food.
>
> If the US and its allies acted as humintarians instead of warmongers,
> the warmongers in the middle east would have nothing to base their
> propaganda on.
>
> FIght the propganda, not the people.
>
We are, by any measure, (money, food, medical materials, books,
volunteers) far and away the world's greatest humanitarian nation.
Obviously part of the propaganda that needs to be fought resides inside
you.
>
> ===
> Mark 'Nurgle' Collins
> http://www.thisisnurgle.org.uk
> Stupid IRC quote of the <variable time period>:
> <phoenix> insider, you'll have to excuse nurgle, he's the epitamy of
> evil
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