From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat Aug 03 2002 - 11:09:11 MDT
On 3 Aug 2002 at 14:31, Mark Collins wrote:
> On Saturday 03 August 2002 5:26 am, you wrote:
> > The pattern is: if one fights fire with water, the other side sees
> > it as weak because returning fire was not employed. The taoist way
> > of submission-victory may have worked for Lao-Tse and for sexual
> > masochists, but not on this list and not on the bloody suicide
> > bombing killing grounds - or for those masses who would die of
> > nuclear annihilation were we to permit a bright but certifiablly
> > sociopathic madman to obtain the atomic matches.
>
> As a Taoist, I take great offense at that statement. Do you make
> statements like that about everything you don't understand?
>
Quite an assumption you make there - my purported lack of
understanding concerning Taoism, I mean.
>
> Have a read of The Art of War (you didn't know Sun Tzu was a Taoist?
> Shame on you!).
>
Being a student of comparative religion (and one who has taught it on a
college level, for Troy State University), I have read (and own copies
of) Lao-Tzu, Chuang-Tzu, Mo-Tzu, Sun-Tzu, Wen-Tzu, Lieh-Tzu, Hsun-
Tzu, Han-Fei-Tzu and Kung-Fu-Tzu (Confucius). Although only the first
two are standard taoist texts, they all have strains of the philosophy
within them. Indian Buddhism was a revolt, in the directions of
simplicity and direct experience, against the elaborate and abstract 'six
schools' of Hinduism; when it came into contact with a different kaind of
'direct-experience-based' mysticism, Chinese Taoism, the result was
Zen (and the more magickally-rooted Vajrayana system - the
thunderbolt vehicle - found in Tibet and Nepal).The roots of the Zen
concept of wu-wei (doing by nondoing) can be traced to Taoist thought.
>
>The method I am promoting is to attack the alliances,
> by destroying any hope the few fanatics have of convincing the masses
> that the nations of the West hate Islam.
>
With the Quran in their hands that will not be easy.
>
> If the fanatics can't raise an army, there isn't a problem.
>
Look what 20 operatives wrought in NY. In an era of not only regular
WMD's but one in which factories, nuclear power plants, oil refineries,
chemical plants and transportation vehicles can be converted into
WMD's by the actions of a few terrorists, the lack of Al Quaeda armies
is paltry reassurance. It has recently been printed that Delta forces and
SEALS will be deployed globally to eliminate Al-Quaeda cells; this is a
mopping up that was anticipated much earlier, when it was remarked
that as the Al Quaeda operatives became fewer and more dispersed,
different methods would be required to deal with the remainder.
>
> (btw, I've heard that the US media isn't letting on the fact that
> Hussein has invited UN inspectors back in. Is this true?)
>
Not only has it been reported, but so has Richard Butler's scepticism
concerning its likelihood of leading to a resumption of deceptive spy-
and-surveillence-driven shell games.
> --
> ===
> Mark 'Nurgle' Collins
> http://www.thisisnurgle.org.uk
> Stupid IRC quote of the <variable time period>:
> <phoenix> insider, you'll have to excuse nurgle, he's the epitamy of
> evil
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