From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun Aug 04 2002 - 00:48:28 MDT
On 3 Aug 2002 at 23:53, rhinoceros wrote:
>
> So many questions and no answers. Was Jenin a massacre or just
> warfare?
>
Just warfare; the Palestinian terrorists publicly bragged about the
deadly gauntlet the had prepard for the israeli forces.
>
> How many Palestinians and how many Israelis were killed?
>
23 Israeli soldiers, 52 Palestinians (most of them terrorists).
>
>Did
> the Palestinians really kill each other?
>
It has been a common occurrence for palestinian radicals to kill others
they suspect and accus of being Israeli collaboraters. It's a real witch
hunt there.
>
> Why didn't the Israelis
> permit the UN to check?
>
Because they did a background check of the three people assigned to
lead the investigation, and on the basis of their writings and verbal
pronouncements, concluded that they were a priori biased.
>
> Is it important that the Israelis went to
> residential Jenin with tanks and helicopters?
>
They use what they have (and not even all of what they have,
considering the Israeli nuclear arsenal at Dimona, the revelation of
which earned scientist Mordechai Vanunu a life sentence in Israeli
prison, a sentence agaist which the global community has protested,
and which I condemn, as I condemn any governmental action against
whistleblowers). The Palestinians use suicide bombers. The Israelis
were intending to attack terrorist Palestinian Guerillas; the suicide
bomers are instructed to kill as many Israeli and US civilians as they
can manage.
>
> Why do the Israelis and
> the Americans accuse Arafat of terrorism and still they let him be?
>
Because they would prefer the Palestinian people themselves distance
themselves from him, rather than a military or Israeli court elimination of
him rendering him a Muslim martyr who could serve as a rallying cry for
the recruitment of those who would commit further suicide bombing
atrocities.
>
> Why is he also a Peace Nobelist.
>
Because he was generally seen, at the time of the Oslo Accords, as
genuinely seeking peace, when all he apparently really wanted was the
political and propaganda clout of the Peace Prize. It would most
certainly not be given to him now, especially after the paperwork
documenting his government's payment of the expenses incurred in the
development of harness bombs and suicide bombers came to light, as
well as the paperwork documenting the PLA's covert attempt to import
50 tons of heavy weapons, in 83 steel tubes, from the terrorist
Mugniyeh in Iran at the same time they were publicly talking peace and
disarmament, and I'm quite sure that the Nobel committee deeply regret
his selection.
>
>And most importantly, am I stupid?
>
No; you are just not fully informed, but who is?
>
> The attempts to answer the massacre question were in fact more
> questions. Let me add one more: Legally or morally a massacre?
>
No, a battle. Few battles are fought between military equals.
>
>If what
> the UN report is talking about is the legal aspect, is there any
> theoretical possibility that Israelis may stand a trial? No.
> Palestinians? Possibly. Why? Figure it out for yourselves.
>
Because of the difference in intent. One side was bent upon the
destruction of terrorist infrastructure, and the other side was committed
to protecting, preserving and maintaining it.
>
> If so,
> isn't it meaningless to talk about whether it was a massacre or not?
>
It most clearly wasn't; when the casualties are divided 65/35, that is too
close a ratio to consider it as such.
>
> If the "extended" right to self defence may be freely used to override
> any law, what is the meaning of any legal definition?
>
It is simply an evolution of the law to reflect and apply to evolving
circumstances, as the law has always done.
>
> What is the
> message then? This one I can answer: Fight or die (and of course, or
> both).
>
Or make peace, where Israeli West Bank and Gaza settlements are
evacuated and Palestinian suicide bomers stop flowing towards
partying Israeli teenagers, weekend shoppers and bus commuters.
That is my hope.
>
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