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Date: Sun Aug 04 2002 - 12:08:16 MDT
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> > \"WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9-11?\" - The Transcript (Part 1 of 2)
> > Jared Israel Interviewed by Mark Haim
> > KOPN 89.5 FM (Missouri) Evening Edition * 2 April 2002
> > [Posted 10 June 2002]
> >
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > It\'s a bit refreshing to hear that there are people asking questions
> about 9-11. And Jared Israel, over this hour we\'re going to be talking
> about those questions, taking calls from our listeners, hearing your
> answers.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Before we get started though, can you give us a little thumb-nail sketch
> of who Jared Israel is, what you do, where you\'re from.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, I\'m from New York. I\'m from the 60\'s generation. I\'m an old
guy.
> During the 60\'s - what did you do in the 60\'s?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Don\'t say that, it makes me feel old.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > You are; you are. You\'re not getting better; you\'re getting older.
> >
> > I was active in the civil rights movement and the student movement
against
> the war in Vietnam. And then I did just regular life things. I got back
into
> activity in l998, dealing with media coverage of, especially, Yugoslavia,
> and since then media coverage of 9-11. Analyzing media distortion is a
> special interest of mine. I did a lot of that during the war in Vietnam.
So
> I have some experience.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Sort of an investigator of journalists.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, that\'s right. The thing that our Website, Emperor\'s Clothes,
does
> is look at how the media misrepresents information. Frighteningly, we find
> it occurs in definite patterns, which are very hard to explain in a nice
> way. But that\'s what we do. We study the facts.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Very quickly, after the tragic events of September 11th you-all devoted
a
> rather extensive portion of your Website to a critique of the information
we
> were given. Do you want to share just a broad outline of what your
research
> has shown?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, the first thing that shocked me and a lot of other people too
> because I\'ve heard this from people in the military and the Customs
> Department - was that no planes went in the air over Washington, D.C.
until
> after the Pentagon was hit.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > You\'re talking about planes that might intercept incoming -
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Yeah. Intercept doesn\'t necessarily mean an aggressive act. It means a
> plane goes up and interacts with another plane.
> >
> > There\'s a huge Air Force Base 10 miles from the Pentagon, Andrews Air
> Force Base, that has two combat-ready fighter wings. The Air National
Guard
> Fighter Wing describes itself as being maintained in the highest possible
> state of combat readiness. None of those planes went in the air. But then,
a
> few minutes after the Pentagon was hit, they did go in the air, because we
> have news reports about that. Why would that happen?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > So essentially, four planes are hijacked and they\'re able to observe
> these planes on their radar, going off course and yet, no response. Is
that
> it?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, here\'s for example. At 9:06 the FAA, according to their account,
> closed the air corridor between Cleveland and Washington, DC. (1) If they
> closed this air corridor, which is one of the most extreme actions the FAA
> has ever taken, why wouldn\'t they put planes in the air over Washington?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > This is after the -
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > After the first two hits. The second World Trade Center hit was at 9:03,
> approximately. So this was at 9:06, within three minutes.
> >
> > The U.S. has a very sophisticated air force. On Emperor\'s Clothes we
> posted some of the documents which lay out what NORAD, the FAA - the
Federal
> Aviation Administration - and the>Joint Chiefs of Staff are supposed to do
> when there\'s a hijacking. (2)
> >
> > The FAA says they knew or strongly suspected there was a hijacking by
> 8:20. (3) We believe they knew sooner but let\'s take their word. Vice
> President Cheney said on \'Meet the Press\' on September 16th, that the
> Secret Service went on emergency open lines with the FAA as soon as the
> first plane hit the World Trade Center. Which was at 8:45 Eastern Time,
> right? So, if the Secret Service was on open lines to the FAA at 8:45; if
at
> 9:06 the corridor between Washington and Cleveland was closed, then how
> could it be that no planes were put in the air over Washington?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > What time was the Pentagon hit?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > The Pentagon was hit at approximately 9:45 Eastern Time, so we\'re
talking
> about an hour and 40 minutes between the time they knew there was a
> hijacking and the time the Pentagon was hit. That hijacked plane was
flying
> west from Boston. So they knew it could have been flying to Washington,
> right? Why didn\'t they put planes in the air?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > When you ask these questions, what answers are given?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, no Official has answered us. Which is amazing, because the
> documentation that we\'ve produced has gotten a tremendous readership.
> >
> > The answers they have given in general to this question, because it has
> been raised by millions of people, is, \"We just weren\'t ready. We
didn\'t
> realize this kind of thing was coming.\"
> >
> > That was the first answer they gave. And then they changed the answer on
> the 14th of September and said they had put planes in the air but it was
too
> late. This is very important because they didn\'t say that during the
first
> three days. They only discovered that they had put planes in the air three
> days, four days after the event. Now just think about that.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > These planes were put in the air from where?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > They claimed two planes were put in the air from Otis Air Force Base but
> weren\'t in time to catch Flight 11 before it hit the World Trade Center.
> And they claimed planes were sent out of Langley Air Force Base, which is
> around 126 miles south of Washington, DC, near Newport News. They claimed
> that again those planes were too late.
> >
> > Now, that story is simply absurd. Consider. A plane hit the Pentagon,
> supposedly, because we\'re going by their story, at 9:45. That plane left
> Dulles Airport. It went west 300 miles to Ohio and turned around.
> >
> > Supposedly the transponder was turned off. Turning off a transponder
does
> not make a plane invisible. It merely means that certain aspects of the
> tracking become non-functional and some more recent radar can\'t then see
> the plane, but basic radar can. There are several radar stations that
would
> have been able to see that plane in that area. Keep in mind that it was at
> 9:00 Eastern Time that this happened. This was around 30 minutes after
they
> knew another plane had been hijacked and flown into a building. Planes
have
> not been hijacked in the US for many years and this would be the second
> possible hijacking. A few minutes later they closed the air corridor from
> Cleveland to Washington, D.C., so they knew something was happening,
right?
> >
> > There are multiple radar stations that can scan that air corridor,
> including military stations. There are also military aircraft that have
the
> capacity to go up and see 250 miles with basic radar. So they can see
planes
> with the transponder turned off. I mean, after all, hostile military
planes
> can\'t be expected to turn on their transponders when they invade your
> country.
> >
> > How could it be possible for Flight 77 to go to Ohio and turn around
under
> those circumstances and fly 50 minutes back to the Pentagon and nothing be
> done? How could no planes be put in the air over Washington, DC during the
> entire period that that plane was coming from Ohio back to Washington, DC,
> given all that they knew and given that they knew enough to close the air
> corridor? This is like you\'re standing there and a dog walks by and you
> notice it has the head of a cat.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Good that people are asking these questions. Wouldn\'t people rejoinder
> that it\'s been many years since planes had been hijacked in the US so the
> authorities are just not used to it happening?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, unless we\'re talking about people who got frozen by some special
> ray...I mean a plane had been hijacked at 8:20 and they don\'t deny that
> they have the capacity to intercept.
> >
> > The defense that is made by the government, is basically stupidity and
> incompetence. That\'s what they say. \"We were confused; we didn\'t
know.\"
> This spectacle of Bush...
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Let\'s get to Bush in just a moment...We got a caller.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Let\'s take the caller.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Oh, he\'s not there.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Was it something I said?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > No, I doubt it.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > I was getting off the point slightly and it would have been a long way
> back so let me just deal with the specific thing you asked. I said it\'s
> been a long time, about 10 years, since the previous hijacking. And you
> asked, wouldn\'t it be reasonable to say that the people in the government
> were unprepared?
> >
> > And many people have raised this point. The media raised it a good deal.
> People in the government said it, Rumsfeld said it; they all made this
> point. And their behavior said it. I mean, the spectacle of Bush reading
to
> children about goats after the second WTC crash, when the air corridor to
> Washington, DC from Cleveland had been shut down and when, Cheney said on
> Meet the Press, there were direct lines from the Secret Service to the
FAA -
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > The Secret Service was with Bush.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > And they were with Bush. And here he is sitting in a publicly known
place
> reading to children - it\'s just mind-boggling. It\'s a nonsense point.
> >
> > You know, ordinary people say, \"I was shocked.\" And the spin-masters
are
> trying to create the impression that the same goes for the people
> responsible for air safety and air defense, that they\'re just like us.
But
> they are not. Air traffic control is a carefully organized, military-type
> operation or else the planes would hit each other. When a plane goes off
> course, it doesn\'t have to be hijacked. And if they can\'t make contact
> with the pilot and find out what\'s going on, they have a procedure which
is
> they send a plane up. They don\'t have to have evidence of hostile intent
to
> send a plane up. They just have to have -
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Do you know how often they do that?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Not very often but they do do it. For instance, when Payne Stewart\'s
Lear
> jet went out of control, they sent planes and chased it across the country
> and determined it was on autopilot and it was going to go to an
unpopulated
> area. There was no evidence there of hostile intent.
> >
> > There were articles in the New York Times of September 13th and
September
> 15th which stated that the Pentagon knew that that plane was coming from
> Ohio. The Pentagon was in touch with the FAA immediately about it. Now,
> under those circumstances why wouldn\'t they scramble planes into the air
> from Andrews Air Force Base?
> >
> > Just think about it. The President\'s plane flies into and departs from
> Andrews Air Force Base. You mean to tell me they have no fighter escorts
> there? If the President is in trouble they have to call from Langley Air
> Force Base to please come help? They have 10,000 people working there and
> they can\'t put a plane in the air? Please.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Did Andrews Air Force Base put something on their Website?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > They did. You know, we don\'t\' want to sound paranoid; we\'re just the
> messenger. The Andrews Air Force Website, prior to 911, stated that its
job
> included the protection of Washington, D.C. After 9-11 that information
was
> removed. Now unfortunately for them, there is an archive Website, which we
> have cited on Emperor\'s Clothes, which maintains images of Websites in
> previous periods. So we can prove that the information was there, and was
> removed. (4)
> >
> > Before 9-11, the D.C. Air National Guard Website had a statement that
they
> maintained planes in the highest possible state of combat readiness.(5)
> >
> > Now if that doesn\'t mean they\'re ready to fly what does it mean?
What\'s
> the highest possible state of combat readiness? That statement was on the
DC
> Air National Guard Website before 9-11. (5)
> >
> > On one of those Websites there\'s a note that says it was changed on
> September 12th. Literally. Why? Why would they remove the information that
> the job of these forces was to protect Washington, D.C. unless to hide the
> fact that they had failed at their job?
> >
> > Now, how would it be possible for a failure like that to occur out of
> incompetence? We\'re not talking about ordinary incompetence. Two planes
had
> hit buildings in New York. They knew those planes had been highjacked.
They
> knew a hijacked plane was coming towards Washington, D.C. They didn\'t
know
> it for just five minutes. They knew it for almost an hour.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > We\'ve got another caller. Hi, Caller.
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > Hi. I want to thank you for this program. A question for the guest.
> Assuming all of this is true, which, these are pretty obvious facts, do
you
> believe that this prior knowledge was an effort by Bush to legitimize the
> global war on terrorism and following that - what steps are being taken on
a
> national level to make this information available and widely known to the
> American public?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > These are two big questions, Caller. Can we start with talking about
what
> you think was the motive?
> >
> > Jared, was this in your opinion something where our government knew
> something was coming and didn\'t take action? Or was it actually our
> government in connivance with the perpetrators? You know obviously the
> political advantage since September 11 has gone to the Right - it\'s gone
to
> the Bush administration and their allies in the military industrial
complex.
> If you look at who\'s benefited, this is clearly something that has not
only
> benefited what was previously a tottering and what many people saw as an
> illegitimate administration - and they now have some of the highest
> political ratings any have ever had.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > You know, aside from the question of Right/Left, there\'s the whole
> question of the effect on ordinary people. Because another way of putting
> what you said would be that immense amounts of money and power have moved
> from ordinary people to very rich people. I mean, you know, if you listen
to
> Bush\'s Town Hall meeting - I think it was the one in Florida - everybody
> gets up and says, \"You are the greatest leader in history - what are we
> going to do about the layoffs?\" In other words, they first bow to him and
> then they say, \"We\'ve all lost our jobs.\" And he says, \"It\'s not the
> role of government to help you.\" It\'s the role of government only to
make
> war, right? We have small government - makes war. So what you\'re saying
has
> a lot of truth to it.
> >
> > Here\'s my own feeling: obviously, foreknowledge and planning mean the
> same. Because it\'s not reasonable that powerful forces in our government
> would simply know that terrorists were going to do this and let it happen
> without them having an intimate connection with those terrorists. That is,
> how could they know, otherwise?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM What if there was intelligence gathering, with people under
> surveillance and they chose, because it was to their political advantage,
to
> let them do what they were doing?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > It doesn\'t make sense. Consider Bush\'s behavior. Without saying that
he
> knew days before, we know that he knew before he left his hotel that the
> first World Trade Center had been hit and we know, from Cheney, that the
FAA
> had open lines to the Secret Service, which was with Bush. Why did the
> Secret Service let him go to that school? That school is 5 miles from an
> international airport. According to Time magazine -
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Was this in Tampa?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > No, the Booker school is in Sarasota and there\'s something called the
> Sarasota-Brandenton International Airport five miles from the Booker on
> Martin Luther King Boulevard there.
> >
> > Time Magazine published, it was either in \'93 or \'94, an article
saying
> that the biggest fear among presidential security forces was that a plane
> would be hijacked from an international airport and used to fly into a
> building where he was staying.
> >
> > Now, if that was the biggest fear of the Secret Service, and if the
Secret
> Service knew that there was a hijacking at 8:20, and that the hijacked
plane
> later hit a building, which according to Cheney, they knew - how would it
be
> conceivable for them to let him go to that school?
> >
> > I mean it would be an act of treason to let him go to that school under
> those circumstances unless they knew for sure that he was safe. And only
> somebody in on the scam knows anything for sure.
> >
> > So if he was merely aware from Intelligence reports that *something* was
> going to happen, that would not, in the mind of any reasonable,
> conservative-acting, Secret Service person be sufficient to allow him to
go
> to that school. He had to know that that school could not possibly be a
> target.
> >
> > (CONTINUED PART 2)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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