From: Archibald Scatflinger (transdimensionalelf@hawaii.rr.com)
Date: Sun Aug 04 2002 - 12:08:46 MDT
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> > PART 2 OF RADIO INTERVIEW OF JARED ISRAEL BY MARK HAIM, APRIL 2, 2002
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> > "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9-11?" - Transcript Part 2 of 2
> > Jared Israel Interviewed by Mark Haim
> > KOPN 89.5 FM (Missouri) Evening Edition * 2 April 2002
> > [Posted 15 June 2002]
> > ======================================
> >
> > [Editor's note: I have edited the transcript mainly for brevity but also
> (as little as possible) for readability, clarity and meaning, as explained
> in Part 1 - John Flaherty.]
> >
> > *Continued from Part 1 at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/radio-1.htm*
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Of course later in the day he scurried from one -
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Isn't that something? After everything happened, suddenly his entourage
in
> Sarasota went into the most extreme security mode. The same people, in the
> same town, closed down all of the airports - Sarasota-Bradenton
> International Airport was closed down.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > They closed down airports all over the country didn't they?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > But they closed down Sarasota-Brandenton before the others and they
> ordered that the education commissioner not be permitted to land. They
> blocked all the roads. The guys in security at the airport said they'd
never
> seen anything like it - in fact they implied it was absurd.
> >
> > This was all for show.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Let's take this other caller. Hi, Caller, you're on Evening Edition.
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > Yeah, I'm listening to what this man's saying and I don't think the
> government knew what was going on after the first plane hit. I think they
> thought it was a stray and I just can't buy what he's saying. I think the
> man has an agenda. I think you have an agenda. And I'm not believing
> anything you-all say.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Caller, one thing I want to make clear. I have not endorsed my guest's
> point of view. I'm just interviewing him. And I think it's an interesting
> hypothesis he has. I simply am exploring this question and invited a guest
> who's done quite a bit of research to answer your questions.
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > I think he's taken some pieces of a puzzle, put them to together and he
> ain't got the whole picture yet but he's trying' to make it work.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Ok. Any specific question, Caller?
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > Why does he have a grudge against the United States government? Does it
go
> back to the 60's?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Jared, would you like to respond to that?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, I mean, "And do you still beat your wife?"
> >
> > Look, things happened that day that affected us all tremendously. The
> opinions that I'm putting forward are held by many people in the military.
> As I mentioned before, people in the Customs department, on two occasions,
> have expressed them to me and we've received a lot of email from military
> people who were very pleased we were bringing these points up. We have an
> Air Force that didn't respond. Whether I'm critical of the government
about
> other things, which I am, and whether I care passionately about this
> country, which I do - because I have nothing to gain from raising
unpopular
> points - these are secondary to the question of the facts I am bringing
up.
> The facts are shocking and one doesn't want to believe them. And the
easiest
> thing to do under that circumstance is to say. "You must have an agenda."
> Well, even if I did have an agenda - are the facts wrong?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Jared, we've got another caller trying to -
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Can I just comment on one other thing he said?
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Sure.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > He said that after the first plane hit they didn't didn't think this was
> an act of terrorism. Well, here are some facts.
> >
> > The FAA reported in Newsday that they knew at 8:20 that Flight 11 had
been
> hijacked out of Boston.
> >
> > Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center at about 8:45.
> >
> > Now, what possible reason would anyone have to believe that a plane,
which
> had been hijacked, and then hit the biggest building in the US, did it by
> mistake? That would be absurd.
> >
> > And we have reports from, for instance, the Daily News in New York:
"9:08
> a.m. Police radio broadcasts, 'This was a terrorist attack. Notify the
> Pentagon.'" Daily News, New York, September 12th.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Ok. We've got a caller. Hi, Caller, thanks for your patience.
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > I just got cut off and I don't appreciate his comments about the wife
> beating because I don't do that.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > No, that's an expression, you know, when you accuse somebody of
something
> and ask him a question in an accusative way, it's like saying, "And do you
> still beat your wife?"
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > You see, because you said, "Why do you have an agenda?" That assumes I
> *have* an agenda. So how can I answer?
> >
> > You know, when you have a family and you raise criticisms of family
> members, it's because you love them and I rather passionately love the
> people in this country.
> >
> > The experiences I had in the 60's were of working with people to change
> things. I saw the decency of the American people. I saw white people who
> have been affected by racism come to sympathize with black people. I saw
> people who had learned from birth that you don't question the government,
> question the government about Vietnam. I'm talking about soldiers. And I,
> myself, by the way, started out, if I may say, when I was a young man, as
> somebody who would have agreed with you completely, that is I was
completely
> opposed to people who were questioning. So I myself have gone through this
> kind of change. And I think the American people, and people around the
world
> feel this about us, have many wonderful traits, openness to ideas and so
on.
> >
> > But I'm talking about criminal actions. I'm saying we have evidence that
> suggests criminal action. And we know that powerful people throughout
> history have been capable of such things in the interests of money. That's
> been true throughout history. Why would our country be an exception?
> >
> > [At this point a man called in and raised two questions to which Jared
> Israel responded. The questions were:
> >
> > 1) What about the 4th plane, the one that crashed in Pennsylvania?
> >
> > 2) What about the accusation that the smooth way the twin towers
collapsed
> suggested explosive charges had been planted in the buildings?]
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, we're trying, at least at Emperor's Clothes, to stick to what
we're
> sure of. We really don't know what happened with that plane in
Pennsylvania.
> We looked into it a bit and, while it was a terrible tragedy, it was
> secondary because things were so much clearer with flight 77, the one that
> hit the Pentagon.
> >
> > On the question of the WTC towers, I've heard arguments on both sides
and
> we've stayed pretty much away from it though we reported a little on what
> some people have said, because we really don't know.
> >
> > However, I can tell you this: the firefighters in New York, in their
> publication, have been very upset, not only with the crass way Mayor
> Giuliani dealt with them, at a certain point trying to stop them from
> finding the bodies of their brothers, but also because of the haste with
> which the structural material was removed and melted down, instead of
having
> a proper fire investigation to determine cause.
> >
> > But there are a lot of possible explanations other than that there was a
> demolition.
> >
> > So since we don't know the answers on those two points, we've not tried
to
> give opinions. Indeed, in general we're *not trying to give opinions*.
We're
> not trying to point out suspicious circumstances. We're trying to focus on
> what we can be sure of and then make logical deductions that would follow,
> without prejudice and without emotion, if we can. So that's why we're
> dealing with the reported behavior of key leaders and then analyzing what
> those reports mean.
> >
> > For example, regarding the reports we have about planes and their
> movements and when those reports were made - those things we can be sure
of
> because the reports are in print. That is, we can be sure that they wrote
> that at a particular time. So we try to deal with that on Emperor's
Clothes.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Hi, Caller.
> >
> > [Caller asks if Jared Israel knows anything about a report prior to 9-11
> that Attorney General Ashcroft would be using Air Force One instead of
> public transportation.]
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > No I don't. Here's an important thing. People have healthy suspicions
> which I'm not trying to put a damper on. But when an event occurs, there
are
> necessarily certain coincidences which you can then mistakenly see as
> causative. Because naturally a whole bunch of things will happen and some
of
> them will look like they're related. So that's why we try to hone in on
> things that are specifically related to this event: procedures that were
not
> followed. What are the procedures? We have them on the Website. We have
the
> report of the Joint Chiefs of Staff which says that the first thing the
FAA
> does when there's a hijacking is notify the Secretary of Defense. But
> according to Assistant Secretary of Defense Victoria Clarke, it was she
who
> first told Rumsfeld about the World Trade Center attack. And after that,
> what did he do? According to Clarke, he stayed in his office until after
the
> Pentagon was hit. He did not join her in the National Military Command
> Center. Now, this is an unb!
> > elievable behavioral response. It can't be explained by saying there
were
> no hijackings for many years. This woman comes in and tells Rumsfeld the
two
> biggest buildings in the New York have just been hit by hijacked planes
and
> Rumsfeld says, "I have to make some phone calls."
> >
> > What would be the reason for him staying out of the National Military
> Command Center for 45 minutes or more? What would be the *sane* reason?
The
> only reason that we could think of was that if he wasn't in there he
> couldn't be held responsible for the lack of response that he knew was
going
> to take place. So it was important for him *not* to be in there at that
> time.
> >
> > The same thing happened with Richard Myers. He's acting head of the
Joint
> Chiefs of Staff on September 11th. On September 13th he's going for a
> nomination hearing to be made head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This is
the
> most important day of his life because on this day, that he is acting
> chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - and he's an Air Force General with
> thousands of hours of time flying fighter planes - this is the only day
the
> United States has ever been attacked from the air.
> >
> > Myers claims he is at Senator Max Cleland's office in the morning - 8:40
> Eastern Time. He sees on TV that the first plane has hit the World Trade
> Center. He claims on Armed Services Radio that at that point he went in
and
> met with Cleland for an hour. Nobody called him and told him that a second
> plane had hit, that the air corridor had been closed between Washington
and
> Cleveland, that a plane had been hijacked in Ohio and was flying back to
the
> Pentagon.
> >
> > Then he also claims that when he walked out of Cleland's office, he was
> handed a portable phone and it was the head of NORAD - the North American
> Aerospace Defense Command - telling him the Pentagon had been hit.
> >
> > Now these are unbelievable assertions. Doesn't the man have a beeper?
> Doesn't the man have a cell phone? Doesn't the man have a secretary who
> knows where he is? General Myers was, after all, acting head of the Joint
> Chiefs of Staff of the US military. Wouldn't anybody inform him that
planes
> were being hijacked and flying into buildings?
> >
> > And you know what Myers said he talked to Max Cleland about? He claims
he
> sat there and they discussed the danger of terrorism. Now this is like a
> satire. It seems unbelievable.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Hi, Caller. Can you make a very quick pointed question?
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > Yeah. I'm extremely concerned that what we've just heard for the last
hour
> parallels exactly the anti-Semitic view that's been pushed throughout the
> Arab world and into parts of Europe that this was a conspiracy and that
Jews
> in particular were forewarned about the attacks on the World Trade Center
so
> that they would not go to work that day.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > That's a lie, though. That, of course, isn't true.
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > You're playing into the hands of the anti-Semitic people.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Because we have a short time left, let me say, first of all, that I'm
> Jewish. Second of all I loathe anti-Semitism. This gentleman is Jewish,
too.
> >
> > The anti-Semitic stuff was started three days after 9-11 by General Gul,
> the former top CIA- connected person in Pakistan. He told MSNBC that "The
> Jews" must have done it. This line has been pushed by Fox TV which is, in
my
> opinion, a very questionable institution and it's been pitched by some
> fascistic people on the Internet, trying to turn this situation, which is
> always done when there's a problem, trying to turn this situation, which
has
> zero connection with Jewish people into an attack on Jews so that ordinary
> people, who don't want to question the US government, because it's such a
> horrifying idea, have a convenient group to pin it on. A scapegoat group.
> And that's what the whole business is with saying that all the Jews stayed
> home from the World Trade Center. Which is an insult to the many Jewish
> people and many other people who were friends of theirs who died on that
> day.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Caller, does that answer you question?
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > Well, I would agree but you're playing into the hands of those people
who
> are doing exactly what you are complaining about.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Well, the problem is what I'm saying, is true. And we can't *not* tell
the
> truth because liars will try to twist it. So because I agree with the
danger
> here, I'm going to post, within the next week, post an exhaustive look at
> the attempt to twist this into anti-Semitism - which I know is very
> prevalent. And, which I am entirely opposed to. (6)
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Caller, I appreciate you getting in on this. We have no time left, but
> thank you so much for calling.
> >
> > * CALLER
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > Jared we are right now just about out of time and there's so much I
wanted
> to touch on that we haven't even started on. One caller asked about the
> efforts to get this out to more people. I wanted to talk about the
political
> implications of those of us in the peace movement raising these concerns.
We
> also haven't touched on bin Laden at all.
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > No, which I'd love to talk about.
> >
> > * MARK HAIM
> >
> > I'm wondering might you be available to come back and finish this issue
> next Tuesday night?
> >
> > * JARED ISRAEL
> >
> > Sure. Why not. Anytime you want.
> >
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> > Further Reading:
> > **********************
> >
> > For a full list of Emperor's Clothes articles (with lots of
> documentation!) on 9-11, go to
> > http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm
> >
> > 1) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001, 'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System
Failed;
> Air attack on Pentagon indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian
> Donovan and Craig Gordon. The direct link is
> > http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#1
> >
> > 2) The article, "Cheney's Cover Story,' has a much material on the
> prescribed response to a hijacking. On the FAA, see
> http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm#a
> > On The Joint Chiefs, see 'Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
> Instruction 3610.01A,' 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) and
> Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects," 4.Policy (page 1)
> > PDF available at:
> > http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
> > Backup at:
> > http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf
> >
> > 3) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001, 'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System
Failed;
> Air attack on Pentagon indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian
> Donovan and Craig Gordon. The direct link is
> http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#2
> >
> > 4) The changes in text of the Andrews Air Force Base-related Websites
are
> documented (with links) and discussed in 'UPDATES TO GUILTY FOR 9-11,' at
> > http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
> >
> > 5) The DCANG Website was changed, removing the pledge to maintain planes
> in the "highest possible state of readiness." You can still access that
> text, however, through www.archive.org Go to
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183700/http://dcandr.ang.af.mil/
> > Click on "Headquarters" and you should see it. If that link stops
working,
> go to
> > http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/dcandr2.htm
> >
> > 6) The promised article on anti-Semitism related to 9-11 is late, but in
> the works.
> >
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