From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun Aug 04 2002 - 14:00:43 MDT
On 4 Aug 2002 at 13:39, ben wrote:
> [Joe] Before you restart the 'brown people' libel
>
> [ben] It was a question, and in fact afforded you an easy opportunity
> to refute the perception (that I know several on this list have) of
> you as a racist. It was an _opportunity_ for crying out loud, not
> libel! You could have skipped all of the chest-beating and rightous
> indignation and went directly to the revealing, thoughtful,
> civilly-delivered information below and saved everyone involved a lot
> of grief and time. Your first line below is 100% accurate, we should
> know this, because it gives us a better background from which to
> receive your posts.
>
Glad I could be of informational service. Now would everyone else out
there involved in these discussions please do the same?
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> [Joe]
> > I think that you should know
> > that, not only am I an eclectic Wiccan Pagan with an intererest in
> > Chaos Magick metasystems, living with a Soka Gakkai Buddhist
> > (Martha), but also I am part Native American (my mother, Avie, is a
> > fundamentalist Southern Baptist, and we nevertheless all get along
> > well together with tolerance and mutual respect, something that
> > would be impossible were one of us a radical extremist Wahhabist or
> > Deobandi Muslim), and a Cherokee great-grandmother of mine was
> > forced by a more primitive US government to trudge the Trail of
> > Tears between Mississsippi and Oklahoma, dying along the way. Her
> > daughter did not have to make the trip because she was married to
> > one of my my grandfathers, a Caucasion. That would never happen
> > here today; but things that have happened hundreds of years ago
> > could easily happen in the still-dark ages of Islam, with the
> > difference that the available weapons are exponentially more
> > horrific. An attack upon this land and people, which I dearly
> > cherish, and its governmental system, which is not without
> > substantial flaws, but is evolutionary in construction, so that
> > those flaws may be, as many have been (such as slavery and women's
> > suffrage) progressively addressed and fairly resolved, rather than
> > frozen in antiquated eras and attitudes for all time by the
> > pronouncements of a purportedly infallible Book, and whose laws of
> > universal adult suffrage and an inclusive Bill of Rights, which
> > permits me a both a voice in my own affairs and basic freedom
> > protections from a disagreeing majority, is an attack upon my
> > natural and adopted tribe, and I take such aggression very
> > seriously.
> > >
> > > -ben
> > >
> > >
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