From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Tue Aug 06 2002 - 20:02:55 MDT
On 7 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Mark Collins wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 August 2002 1:55 am, you wrote:
> > > Near Hemit, CA, there is a compound known as Gold Base which has a
> > > heavilly armed contigent of guards. Anyone trying to leave this
> > > compound is hunted down like dogs. Deep inside the compound is a
> > > sniper on watch 24/7 just incase the guards miss. There are court
> > > documents, which havn't been countered, stating this. Do a search,
> > > it was a pretty famous case, and there's prolly a link on xenu.net
> > >
> > > Near Gold Base there is another compound called Happy Valley which
> > > is basically a re-education center for Scientologists who have
> > > lost their faith. They are prisoners. There is plenty of evidence
> > > supporting this out there, including the afore mentioned court
> > > documents and testimonies.
> > >
> > > How is that different from an Al Queda training camp? Oh yeah,
> > > they have shitloads of money, they have "respected" Hollywood
> > > actors as high profile members, and they put of lot of business in
> > > the direction of the US "Justice" system.
> > >
> > > It's not who you kill, it's who you bribe.
> >
> > Such human rights abuses should indeed be dealt with. I myself
> > regard Scientology as a dangerous and mind-controlling cult.
>
>
>
> > > The US should think about the mirrors of the problems it condemns
> > > outside its borders which exist inside its borders before taking
> > > any military actions which destroys another nation. It's pure
> > > hypocracy.
> >
> > Last time I checked, the Scientologists weren't sheltering members
> > of an organizationm that flew violently commandeered aircraft into
> > US cosmopolitan skyscrapers, killing thousands. It's purely willful
> > blindness to choose the small similarities you see and ignore the
> > glaring differences.
>
> There have been numerous deaths at the hands of Scientology, and they
> are performed in very inhuman ways. They generally kill "traitors"
> quickly, they try to break them using starvation and beatings.
>
> Given time, the differences you are so quick to point out will seem
> irrelevent if they aren't stopped.
>
I'm quite sure that eyes are upon them.
>
> > > > Scientology is banned in Germany as a pernicious cult, even
> > > > though that is where Mohammed Atta, the alleged immediate leader
> > > > of the 9/11 plotters, went to school, and recruited several of
> > > > the 9/11 terror flyers.
> > >
> > > Oh goody, a completely misinformed statement. Scientology is NOT
> > > banned in Germany. The reason this myth came about was because a
> > > document was leaked from inside the Sea Org which contained plans
> > > to infiltrate the German government and take power.
> > >
> > > The German response was to add a law which means any Scientologist
> > > serving in public office must make their affiliations known.
> >
> > Oh, kinda like wearing a yellow star?
>
> Oh god, you are sounding like the Anti-German propoganda that is being
> put out by the Scientologists.
>
> They do not have to wear a badge saying "I'm a scientologist". They
> just have to make it clear that they are during the interview.
> Scientology has made very clear threats against the German government.
>
> On one hand you are condemning a religion for being violent and
> supporting government action against them, and on the other you are
> condemning government action against another violent religion.
>
> Forget US hipocracy, you should deal with your own first.
>
> A little bit of history on the problems Scientology has faced in
> Germany:
>
> First of all, they were refused tax exemption in Germany because the
> government only grants exemption to non-profit organisations. There is
> no way in hell CoS could claim to be non-profit, so they drew up a
> plan to mirror their actions in the US to get tax exemption by
> infilitration (they pressured the IRS using blackmail and placed
> memeber of the church in influential position).
>
> This plan was leaked, and every action was taken to prevent it. As a
> result, Scientology began a propoganda compaign stating it was the
> Holocaust all over again. The actions of the Church have been
> condemned by just about everyone that matters, including the US
> Government, Jewish leaders, and of course, the German government.
>
I was making a joke. I'm all in favor of a government's being aware of
the identities of members of subversive organizations esconsed in their
midst.
> --
> ===
> Mark 'Nurgle' Collins
> http://www.thisisnurgle.org.uk
> Stupid IRC quote of the <variable time period>:
> <phoenix> insider, you'll have to excuse nurgle, he's the epitamy of
> evil
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