From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 16:23:51 MDT
On 7 Aug 2002 at 14:07, rhinoceros wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees 1]
> The Palestinians, however, are showing, by their repeated words and
> actions, that if they were in the Nazi's position, many would wish to
> follow that same sick course, and are possessed by a similar ideology,
> cloakedi in and furtherr virulated by the pious mantle of a vicious
> (if their holy book is to be literally believed) religion.
>
> [rhinoceros 2]
> Don't you think it is a very poor model, even an abuse of reason, to
> put the malnourushed and outcast Palestinians who lash back in the
> place of the Third Reich trying to commit genocide. This is a very
> clear case where Godwin's law applies.
>
> [Joe Dees 3]
> Did you know that many in the Palestinian community speak exceedingly
> approvingly of Adolph's Reich, and admire his genocidal intentions
> towards Jews?
>
> [rhinoceros 4]
> No, I didn't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were such
> people, as in any country. They wouldn't even need to know what they
> were talking about. The only requirement for them would be to hate
> Israelis and to have heard about what Hitler had done to them. Pushing
> on the argument that Palestinians are sort of Nazis won't get you
> anywhere, especially if you take into account that the power
> distribution analogy between Israelis and Palestinians is the
> opposite.
>
And if it weren't, the Jews would be facing a second genocide. In fact,
the population difference in the Middle East between Jews and Muslims
in general greatly favors the latter.
>
> [rhinoceros 2]
> I think that your effort to explain everything on the grounds of an
> evil ideology-religion (which by the way is unfounded in the
> particular case of the Palestinians) is a bad obsession which, if used
> with consistency, and taking into account the persistent nature of
> beliefs, can lead you to "blanket bombing" solutions.
>
> [Joe Dees 2]
> I'd like to see the religio-memetic stranglehold over the minds of
> these people broken. Blanket-bombing is not something I would ever
> endorse, for the assassins and murderers among them cannot be
> selectively dealt with by employing such tactics. Those who attempt
> to kill others have ipso facto ceded those others permission to kill
> them in self-defence.
>
> [rhinoceros 4]
> I wish it was that simple, but there are two arguments to the
> contrary. First, even if breaking the religio-memetic stranglehold was
> possible, some other suitable memeplex would jump in as long as the
> real problems have not been addressed -- there are already several
> such competing violent memeplexes at work, some of in the civilized
> world. Second, there is just one such memeplex which might permit the
> end of violence without any attempt to resolve the real problems, but
> I would have moral issues to propose it -- the memeplex of total
> submission. So, I think the material problems have to be addressed.
>
Yes, they do, but in an eqwuitable manner. Both tribes must be able to
coexist in peace there for peace to happen at all.
>
> Those who attempt to kill others cannot cede those others permission
> to kill other members of their nationality, because they have no
> authority to do so.
>
But the Palestinians kill suspected collaborators all the time.
>
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