From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 19:25:29 MDT
On 7 Aug 2002 at 18:26, rhinoceros wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees 3]
> Did you know that many in the Palestinian community speak exceedingly
> approvingly of Adolph's Reich, and admire his genocidal intentions
> towards Jews?
>
> [rhinoceros 4]
> No, I didn't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were such
> people, as in any country. They wouldn't even need to know what they
> were talking about. The only requirement for them would be to hate
> Israelis and to have heard about what Hitler had done to them. Pushing
> on the argument that Palestinians are sort of Nazis won't get you
> anywhere, especially if you take into account that the power
> distribution analogy between Israelis and Palestinians is the
> opposite.
>
> [Joe Dees 5]
> And if it weren't, the Jews would be facing a second genocide. In
> fact, the population difference in the Middle East between Jews and
> Muslims in general greatly favors the latter.
>
> [rhinoceros 6]
> A second genocide? Why? Because you assert that the Palestinians are
> Nazis?
>
Some are like Nazis, some aren't.
I assert that Radical Islam is a religious fascism. I am not the first to
make such an assessment. Those who subscribe to such virulences,
be they Palestinian or not, are indeed religious fascists
>.
> Back to our own universe: The Israelis have won the war, and the
> population of the Palestinians is in fact a problem for the
> Palestinians themselves.
>
A problem that religiously, the Muslims are not supposed to see, for
they are supposed to have many children regardless, just like other
patriarchal monotheisms.
>
> [rhinoceros 4]
> So, I think the material problems have to be addressed.
>
> [Joe Dees 5]
> Yes, they do, but in an equitable manner. Both tribes must be able
> to coexist in peace there for peace to happen at all.
>
> [rhinoceros 6]
> Amen.
>
>
>
> [rhinoceros 4]
> Those who attempt to kill others cannot cede those others permission
> to kill other members of their nationality, because they have no
> authority to do so.
>
> [Joe Dees 5]
> But the Palestinians kill suspected collaborators all the time.
>
> [rhinoceros 6]
> That was in response to your statement "Those who attempt to kill
> others have ipso facto ceded those others permission to kill them in
> self-defence." So, your reply was not relevant, but I am willing to
> discuss this new issue, even accept your statement as it is. Hell, in
> my country we also used to kill collaborators during the German
> occupation.
>
Okay, then my answer is that murderers do not cede the self-defending
others the right to kill third parties, but I did not maintain that. They do,
however, cede the self-defending others the right to kill the murderers
in self-defence, before they can murder again.
>
> The article you posted was the story of a real collaborator who didn't
> get killed, not of a suspected collaborator who did get killed. The
> article was really sad for someone who values human dignity. A must
> read.
>
> To be honest, the numbers quoted make you think. It says that 600
> Palestinians were killed by Israelis and 600 by the Palestinians
> themselves from 1987 to 1994. But the article does not give any source
> -- it doesn't even have an author.
>
> If it helps any, I can point you to another direction too. I have
> heard Palestinian kids calling Arafat a traitor and a collaborator who
> imprisons the fighters. If true, that would not change much either;
> that would just show how hard the problem is.
>
It is indeed hard.
>
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