From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 02:38:01 MDT
On 8 Aug 2002 at 1:35, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees 3] Many, many more than that are executed without trial by
> Palestinian terrorist groups.
>
> [Hermit 4] I accept that. But 50% of all Palestinian deaths? Given
> that no claim to this is being made by Palestinian or official Israeli
> sources I think that we can accept that in the absence of
> substantiating data that the claim is indeed propaganda. And
> propaganda in very bad taste. Sort of like the claim that most of the
> Jews killed in the concentration camps of WW II were cremated by their
> fellow Jews.
>
> [Hermit 2] Examining each reported case, for each case I could
> identify, each Palestinian executed by the PA was executed for active
> participation in a murder, murders or attempted murder or murders.
> Reporting that this is for "collaboration" is positively disingenious.
> What bet it originates in the depths of Shin Beth's psycho warfare
> department, and is intended to delude the media and fools?
>
> [Hermit 2] Further, while there are some claims that "hundreds" were
> executed in the 1989-1993 period, I could not find any validation of
> claims that 50% of all Palestinian deaths are "own goals." Examining
> the provided causes of death for the Intifada deaths, the cited causes
> do not include executions.
>
> [Joe Dees 3] The first link I provided, before you began your latest
> indignation jag, did indeed make that claim.
>
> [Hermit 4] Yes. But again, that is not what I said. Have a
> comprehension pill. I said "I could not find any validation of
> claims", this is something else entirely different from "I could not
> find any similar claims". Offering as support for your opinion,
> somebody else's opinion does not seem particularly convincing.
>
That is what any link will offer; it's just that some opinions are accepted
as more credible by group A with agenda/bias B, while others are
accepted as more credible by group C with agenda/bias D.
>
> [Hermit 2] If you want to recover any credibility, perhaps you had
> better do some further research which actually supports your
> contention. For now, it appears to be completely opinionated
> propagandist claptrap with no support behind it whatsoever.
>
> [Joe Dees 3] Your apparent rival contention that few Palestinians have
> been killed as Israeli collaborators by their fellow countrymen would
> eem to itself have no support. At least I provided links; you
> provided snide rhetoric.
>
> [Hermit 4] Nope. Wrong again. I make no such claim. I simply suggest
> that your assertions on this matter are unsupported fabrications. I
> have offered you links to the best data sources I have been able to
> find - Israeli and Palestinian, and indicated that the claims you are
> making are not reported there. This leaves the onus on you to do the
> impossible and pull a confirmatory rabbit out of your ass.
>
I will do a more comprehensive search later, after I sleep; I do note,
however, that Palestinian sources are hardly to be expected to list the
number if it is large. The best data sources you have been able to find
do not seem very good, that is, both informed and objective, to me.
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