From: Hermit (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 18:44:46 MDT
Summary from the below sources unless otherwise referenced:
44 extrajudicial deaths due to suspicion of "collaboration"
13 executions due to "collaboration" (as previously noted all of these executions have been related directly to murders committed by the IDF where the accused has been an accessory before and, or, after the fact and thus challenge this assignation. However, I have still included this figure below).
Against this we have (using only the same sources) a total of 1'207 confirmed Palestinian deaths in the same period.
This yields 57 "collaborator" deaths or 4.72% vs 1150 other deaths or 95.28%. A far cry from 50% indeed. Now pretending for a moment that we were not discussing the current intifada - which we undoubtedly were [Refer "Re: virus: The face of genocide - While the world watches" (http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=51;action=display;threadid=25976) ], and scrambled the statistics together taking the 822 "collaborators" from the first Intifada as well as the 2'329 Palestinian deaths at the hands of Israeli security forces and civilians prior to the current Intifada [ Source: The Israeli Center for Human Rights (B'Tselem): Statistics: "Persons killed before and after signing of the Declaration of Principles, 13 September 1993" (http://www.btselem.org/) ], and incorporate it with the above, it still yields an average of "collaborator" deaths of about 25%. Still a far cry from the 50% you cited.
As I have said from the begining of this thread (and numerous others), you appear to be voicing opinion as fact and demanding that we acknowledge it as such. In the past you would not have done this, nor would you have so catastrophically misread and misinterpreted your sources. Examine yourself and tell me if I am wrong.
Regards
Hermit
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I recomend
Justice Undermined:
Balancing Security and Human Rights in the Palestinian Justice System, Human Rights Watch, 2001-11 (http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/pa/) and particularly XI. THE DEATH PENALTY AND STREET INJUSTICE (http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/pa/isrpa1101-09.htm#P964_190833) to your attention.
As of early September 2001, the PA had sentenced twelve people to death since the Intifada began, more than in any other similar period since the PA was established.[160] Eleven of the sixteen alleged collaborators tried by the State Security and Military Courts since the Intifada began have been sentenced to death, as well as one of the accused convicted by the State Security Court in Gaza in May 2001 for killing a member of the security forces.
and
An increasing number of people accused of cooperating with Israel in the past or currently have been killed by unknown attackers. Human Rights Watch estimates that since the current Intifada began at least thirty Palestinians accused of collaboration have been shot or stabbed to death by other Palestinians in execution-style killings. [162] No such cases have been reported in the Gaza Strip, but most major towns on the West Bank have seen such killings, with most occurring in and around Bethlehem, Tulkarem, Qalqilya and Nablus. No one has been brought to justice for any of these killings.
and
In contrast to the past,[170] PA officials have publicly discouraged Palestinians from killing suspected collaborators-yet not a single perpetrator has been brought to justice. Faisal Husseini, the senior PLO and Fatah leader in Jerusalem before his death in May 2001, was reported in January 2001 as warning that "any attempt by an individual or group to...[take the law into their own hands] will bring charges on to them."[171] After a killing in Bethlehem in August, the PA issued a statement in which it "rejects and condemns every attempt by any party to take the law into its hands."[172] General Tawfiq Tirawi, head of the GIS in the West Bank, reaffirmed to Human Rights Watch that such vigilante killings are "bad for the Palestinian Authority and its image" and that therefore the PA does investigate and seek to prosecute.
and
It is important to note that far fewer Palestinians have been unlawfully killed as alleged collaborators than during the first Intifada, when an estimated 822 alleged collaborators died at the hands of other Palestinians between 1988 and April 1994.[177] The smaller numbers are probably partly because a PA justice system now exists which can absorb some public anger by itself arresting alleged collaborators, and because the PA is more openly and clearly critical of the killings.
Nevertheless, about twenty alleged collaborators were killed in the first year of the first Intifada-similar to the death toll in these last twelve months. During subsequent years of the first Intifada the number of deaths surged dramatically, to about 150 in 1989 and thereafter 100 or more in most years. The escalation seems to have been a response to intensified Israeli operations to arrest suspects, often relying on Palestinian informants.[178] There is a danger that today's vigilante killings will also escalate if Israel continues to liquidate Palestinians and use Palestinian informants, if the frustration and anger at the stalled peace process continues, and if the PA does not act decisively in every case to find and punish the perpetrators and to make it known at the highest level that such killings will not be tolerated.
and finally
The PHRMG has since reported one more death sentence in September 2001, imposed on September 24, 2001 by the Military Court in Hebron on 21-year-old ‛Imad Salah Fleifel for killing a colleague while on duty at a Palestinian checkpoint. Amnesty International figures for death sentences and executions, taken from its published annual reports:
Death sentences Executed
1995 1 0
1996 11 (2 commuted) 0
1997: 7 0
1998: 4 (1 commuted) 2
1999: 4 1
The PICCR reported six death sentences imposed in 2000.
Please note, this takes us to Nov 2001.
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Now from The Israeli Center for Human Rights (B'Tselem) (http://www.btselem.org/) which undoubtedly has the best individual-by-individual reporting
Fatalities in the al-Aqsa Intifada,: 29 Sept. 2000-4 August 2002
1,077 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli security forces' gunfire in the Occupied Territories, of whom 245 were minors under the age of 18. Please note: As of March 31st, 2002, the information provided concerning casualties in the Occupied Territories is only partial, and does not include approximately 130 Palestinian civilians who have been killed by Israeli security forces during the invasion of Jenin and Nablus in operation "Defensive Wall". The figures on casualties within Israel are complete. The missing information will be completed soon.
The figures do not include:
Palestinians who died after medical treatment was delayed due to restrictions of movement. (Hermit: Confirmed and named 33 cases)
Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person.
12 Palestinian citizens of Israel killed within Israel by the Israeli Police.
One Jewish Israeli citizen killed within Israel by a Palestinian-Israeli citizen in October 2000.
Two Jewish Israeli citizens and One member of the Israeli security forces, killed by a palestinian citizen of Israel in Nahariya in September 2001.
Four Palestinian-citizens of Israel killed by IDF gunfire in the Territories.
Ages of the minors killed: Forty Seven minors were age 17, Thirty Six were age 16, Forty were age 15, Thirty Four were age 14, Twenty Five were age 13, Eleven were age 12, Eight were age 11, Ten were age 10, Six were age 9, Seven were age 8, Three were age 7, Three were age 6, Two was age 5, Four were age 4, Five were age 3, One was two years old, One was a One year old baby girl, One was a 6 month old baby girl and One was a four month old baby girl.
At least 76 of the civilians killed were extrajudicially executed by Israel. In the course of these assasinations 29 additional civilians were killed.Details[*]256 Palestinian security forces personnel were killed by Israeli security forces' gunfire, including One minor age 17. Two of them were extrajudicially executed by Israel and Three were killed during assasinationss of Palestinian civilians.
[*]22 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli civilians, including Three minors: One was age 17, One was age 14 and One was a Two month- old baby girl.
[*]Five foreign Citizens were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire.
[*]152 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians, 26 of them were minors under the age of 17: Five were aged 17, Five were age 16, Five were age 14, Two were age 13, One was age 11, Two were age 9, Three were age 5, One was a 10 month-old baby girl and One was a 5 month-old baby boy and one was a one day old baby boy. At least Six of them were allegedly killed by persons affiliated with the PA.
[*]Six foreign citizens were killed by Palestinian civilians.
[*]118 members of the Israeli security forces were killed by Palestinians. Ten of them were killed by Palestinian security forces gunfire.
[*]At least 41 Palestinian civilians were killed by Palestinians due to suspicion of collobarting with israel. Some of them had Israeli citizenship. Two of them were executed by the Palestinian authority and Five were killed by Palestinian security forces.
[*]Three Palestinian civilians were killed by Palestinian civilians after being convicted in the murder of a Palestinian security officer who had killed Palestinians suspected of collaboration with Israel.
[*]One 12 year old boy was killed by armed palestinians during a confrontation with palestinian civilians who were trying to prevent them from shooting at Idf posts
[*]Twelve Palestinian civilians, Three of them minors, were killed by Palestinians security forces in circumstances unrelated to suspicion of collaborating with israel.
Within Israel[list][*]25 Palestinian civilians, residents of the Occupied Territories, were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire. One of those killed was a minor aged 14.
[*]Six members of the Palestinian security forces were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire.
[*]234 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians, residents of the Occupied Territories. 46 of them were minors under the age of 18. Of them: Eight were age 17, Eight were age 16, Twelve were age 15, Five were age 14, One was age 13, One was age 12, One was age 11, One was age 10, One was age 8, One was age 7, One was age 4, One was age 3, One was a 14 month old baby, One was a two years old baby, One was a Eighteen month old baby, One was a nine month old baby, and One was a seven month old baby. Ten of the Israeli civilians were killed by members of the Palestinian security forces.
[*]18 foreign citizens were killed by Palestinian civilians. One of them was a minor, age 16.
[*]55 members of the Israeli security forces were killed by Palestinian civilians residents of the Occupied Territories.One of them was killed by a member of the Palestinian security forces.
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Additional coverage on the Palestine may be found at http://www.hrw.org/mideast/is-ot-pa.php
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