From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed Aug 14 2002 - 23:12:54 MDT
On 14 Aug 2002 at 21:29, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Jonathan Davis 1] This forum is overrun with apologists for our
> street dancing ululating Palestinian terror supporters and their ilk.
>
> [Hermit 5] Supporting terrorists by dancing and ululating? Who exactly
> does dancing harm? What about ululating (as long as I don't have to
> listen to it)? Are you arguing that this constitutes a crime against
> anything but good taste? Is this how you justify the call to "Kill
> them all! God will know his own."
>
> [Blunderov 2] <Quotes from Red Meat>
> [Mailman0] "You see, when you are crushing a man's windpipe with your
> knee, you may be sure he will attempt to bite you" [Milkman Dan1] "Yes
> I've noticed that."
>
> [joedees 3] You see, when a man repeatedly kicks you in the gonads,
> you will hold him down any way you can manage to get him to stop.
>
> [Blunderov 4] Yes I've noticed that.
>
> [Hermit 5] So Joe, are you now suggesting that we stop targeting Iraq?
>
>
> [Joe Dees 6] To answer that, I will say this: When a fellow has knifed
> several other people and repeatedly tried but failed to knife you, has
> threatened to shoot you down, and is busy running all over town trying
> to buy a gun, you will run him over with your car before he can find a
> seller.
>
> [Hermit 7] When you supplied the knife, and conspired with him to
> attack the other people, but then changed your mind and took pot shots
> at him, perhaps your actions may have sparked his desire to obtain a
> gun?
>
> [Joe Dees 8] When you thought he was a member of the police force, but
> turned out to be a criminal, you did indeed make a mistake in
> judgment, but he is still a criminal, and it is up to you, as
> worldcity's default police chief, to apprehend him in order to correct
> your mistake before his rampage ignites the entire global city and
> incinerates its citizens.
>
> [Hermit 9] But then, when you conspired with this person, whom your
> flawed judgement led you to consider a collaborater, to attack his
> neighborss, and supplied him with your knife, didn't you become a
> criminal too? Should the police chief not have to stand in the dock
> along with the knife man. Unfortunately, as we know, the world doesn't
> work that way. When a dirty police chief is in danger of being caught
> in crooked work, the probability is that he will bluster, blackmail,
> frame and murder in an attempt to cover up his previous crimes.
> Indeed, the most likely action is that he will issue a "wanted dead or
> alive - shoot on sight" notice for the ex-co-conspirator who could
> convict him.
>
> [Hermit 9] suddenly realizes what the police chief is doing.
>
> [Joe Dees 10] Considering that the neighbor in question was a
> criminal, having kidnapped members of the police chief's family,
> arming an officer of the law (who later becomes a rogue renegade) to
> deal with the kidnapper is routine police procedure.
>
> [Hermit 11] Yep. That might describe Iran - from the police chief's
> perspective. Of course the Iranians hadn't forgotten that they had
> been tortured for years - and that the police chief was best friends
> with their torturers.
>
Yes, the US provided support to SAVAK, the Shah's secret police, and
they did many heinous things (although I'll wager not so heinous as
their Islamofundie successors have done). But we did not send in
troops to support the Shah when the revolt came; by then, we had
figured out that he was an undesirable, unpopular and untenable ruler,
and left him slowly twisting in the Muslim wind. We did not deserve to
have our citizens seized as a reward for our forbearance. I wonder if
we will receive the same treatment should we cut our support for the
House of Saud, and if so, why should we?
>
> [Hermit 11] Of course, the description also describes Kuwait (and
> describes Israel too). And while I disagree with the idea of arming
> thugs, I find it even more interesting that the police chief who is so
> tied up in skull duggery should now be calling for the execution of
> his former crony. Perhaps the crony has much to tell us about the
> police chief.
>
It describes some of Kuwait's internal actions (radicalislamically
motivated, of course), and some of Israel's responses to constant attack
from within and without, by the same radical Islamists. But Iraq was an
initiator of its external advantures, not a responder. And it murders
minorities not on the basis of ideology (although that is despicable
enough, providing the ideology in question is not one of omnivorous
external terror, such as the islamofascistfundies or the Thuggees), but
on the basis of ethnicity. That labels it as a secular fascist state with
expansionist ambitions.
I'd be intersted in the stories both could tell, but I still point out that the
criminal was still acting as a deputy whilst he was receivng assistance;
as soon as he turned into a nasty and violent rogue, the assistance
stopped and the call to justice began.
>
> [Hermit 9] My, but these analogies are powerful things.
>
> [Hermit 7] Aren't analogies fun?
>
> [Joe Dees 8] Yes, they are.
>
> [Hermit 9] I'm glad you think so.
>
> [Joe Dees 10] I'm glad you do, too.
>
> [Hermit 11] /me thinks irresistably about "Mittens the Kitten." I can
> sniff your brains. Phew!
>
I can stare up your nostrils and watch your brains pulsating.
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