From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Aug 15 2002 - 10:29:14 MDT
On 15 Aug 2002 at 5:08, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Hermit 10] Do I recall Joe Dees complaining about supposedly "invalid
> sniping"? See the reinsertions of [Hermit 8] and prior below.
>
> [Joe Dees 9] Hermit seems constitutuonally unable to comprehend the
> meaning of the word "disseminate", so I'll just have to repeat it to
> him until his straw man scarecrow is burned to the ground and its
> ashes spread to the four winds:Main Entry: dis·sem·i·nate
> Pronunciation: di-'se-m&-"nAt Function: transitive verb Inflected
> Form(s): -nat·ed; -nat·ing Etymology: Latin disseminatus, past
> participle of disseminare, from dis- + seminare to sow, from semin-,
> semen seed -- more at SEMEN Date: 1603 1 : to spread abroad as though
> sowing seed <disseminate ideas> 2 : to disperse throughout
>
> [Joe Dees 9] The US never spread viruses, spores or pathogens through
> the Iraqi ecosystem. If Hermit has proof that the US did, I'd LOVE
> for him to post it, and have repeatedly requested that he do so, but,
> unable to fulfill such requests (since proof of something that did not
> happen cannot exist), he chooses to ignore them, and instead continues
> to shovel the same manure that we have come to consider so typical of
> him. And now we are hearing the same bullshit from him again.
>
> [Hermit 10] The topic is in reference to your assertions of "Bullus
> Shittus." You still are not being responsive instead you appear to be
> making a total fool of yourself attempting to defend your worthless
> strawman. You are fighting what you think I said. Not what I said. Now
> that you have had some sleep, read it and weep. The meaning of my
> sentence, if you have forgotten how to construe one, is that "The US
> took action which resulted in the causation and dissemination of
> lethal pathologies." It does not say that the US disseminated them.
> Most pathogens (disease causing agents) are in the environment all the
> time, but only become a problem when other problems arise. The US made
> use of this fact when they deliberately destroyed infrastructure
> (actually specified in the protocol) required to support the civilian
> population, knowing that the dark horsemen of cholera, dysentry, etc.
> would ravage the Iraqi population. Yes, the world, including the USA,
> agreed that this action was!
> genocide in 1948, and again when they extended that treaty to cover
> exactly these circumstances in 1979 (infra).
>
Here is your *original* contention, cut-and-pasted for your considered
perusal:
[Hermit 1] In contravention of the Convention to Prevent Genocide, the
United States took and is taking deliberate action designed to cause and
disseminate lethal pathologies in Iraq...
That's cause AND disseminate; which means BOTH, and while the US
actions have enhanced the opportunities for native pathogens to spread,
which is, while not precisely cause, close enough for Hermit work, you
have not proven that the US has taken deliberate action designed to
disseminate lethal pathogens, such as seeding the Iraqi ecosystem with
such disease pathogens, nor, apparently, can you, so you continue to
bloviate, fulminate, weasel and whine, as is your voluminous wont.
>
<snip older thread parts>
>
>> [Joe Dees 9] If the Israelis, with all the firepower at their
> disposal, were actually intending a Palestinian genocide instead of
> self-protection, the Palestinian population would be shrinking, not
> growing, and the death toll would be in the millions, not just three
> times the Israeli death toll.
>
> [Hermit 10] Genocide does not require murder - or even attempted
> murder - of everyone. Refer previous posts or the UN Treaty for the
> Prevention of Genocide.
>
I guess a single murder qualifies as a genocide in Hermit's eyes if the
'right' person (a member of a group that Hermit favors) is killed, but let
many more be blown to smithereens by the actions of a member of that
Hermit-favored group, and, for Hermit, the genocidal appelation does not
apply. The only reason he cannot see his own double standard is
because of his double vision.
>
> [Joe Dees 9] I guess in Iraq, it's the Kurds' and the Shiites' fault,
> ayy?
>
> [Hermit 10] Not according to the UN. According to the UN and many of
> their staff tasked with implementing the sanctions, it is the fault of
> the USA. But I know you can't/won't don't accept that. After all,
> facts have, as you so clearly demonstrate here, nothing to do what a
> "cultural" bigot like yourself believes.
>
The fact is that Saddam Hussein gassed a village of Kurds, NOT the US;
in a failed and futile attempt to elide this fact and wipe the blood from
Saddam's hands, you once again try to divert attention from his pefiidious
actions by pushing ad hominem buttons. Shame on you. How the flighty
are crawlin'.
>
> [Joe Dees 9] And what did we do to the perpetrator of the Jewish
> genocide and his regime,
>
> [Hermit 10] We did nothing until our profits and security were
> threatened. And then we tore the world apart trying to secure them,
> and invented more horrible forms of war than had been seen since the
> time of Timurlane.
>
Oh, yeah, and freed Europe, North Africa and the Asian Pacific from the
grip of totalitarian dictators. Howdja forget that little fact? I guess
because it was a good thing to do, and the US did it, Hermit must be
forced to ignore it.
>
> [Joe Dees 9] and do you consider that course of action wrong when
> applied to Saddam Hussein?
>
> [Hermit 10] Naturally it would be wrong. After all, Saddam Hussein is
> just a nasty, but relatively powerless tinpot dictator perched on an
> unbalanced throne. The countries engaging in genocide (according to
> the treaties we have both signed) are Israel and the US. Both of which
> are armed to the teeth and pose a grave threat to world peace and
> stability.
>
Wrongo, boyo; neither has gassed thousands of its own people and those
of its neighbors as Saddam has. Israel is trying to survive in the face of a
half century of implacable hostility from within and without, punctuated by
several wars launched against it by its neighbors, and the US has lost
citizens and soldiers in efforts to feed and free other countries' citizens.
To brand your perspective as skewed would be too shallow; your enmity
is much deeper and more profound than that.
>
> [Hermit 8] "Surely the extermination of Jews in gas chambers is not
> comparable to the slow death inflicted in Iraqi children by
> deprivation. But from another angle the latter is even more
> despicable. The genocide against Jews was perpetrated in the greatest
> secret and without the blessing of the "civilized world". The crimes
> against Iraqi civilians are committed in full day-light, with the
> blessing of the ruling "civilized nations" and with the tacit support
> of the educated classes in these nations. Those who keep silent and
> are legally able to speak up, are morally accomplices to this crime."
> -- Elias Davidsson, Musician and a Palestinian Jew, 4/16/1999 posted
> in the open forum of www.arabamerican.com
>
Oh, we're gonna fix that situation, by ridding the Iraqi people of that 'tinpot
dictator' who has enough power over the citizens of Iraq to have killed
scads of them. Whatcha wanna bet that when he and his Tikrit cronies
are gone, there'll be a little dancing and ululation on the streets of
Baghdad?
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