From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon Aug 19 2002 - 21:51:15 MDT
On 19 Aug 2002 at 20:21, Mermaid . wrote:
> [Joe Dees]Your figures are correct and mine were a guess, yet it is
> nevertheless abundantly clear using your figures that the Israeli Jews
> are vastly outniumbered in the region.
>
> [Mermaid]You think? Israeli Jews are outnumbered by Russian
> immigrants? The Arabs are a sliver of 1+change million. Thats all my
> figures... i.e.about Israeli population... show.
>
And what about the Muslim populations of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon,
Egypt, etc.?
>
> [Joe Dees]A country will do anything to survive;
>
> [Mermaid]And surely, this doesnt apply only to Israel.
>
Nope, but it doesn't NOT apply to them, either.
>
> [Joe Dees]...it appears that Israel's enemies are willing to do
> anything to kill it,
>
> [Mermaid]and Israelis are ready to do anything...such as bringing
> 'jews' from Peru and 'jews' from tribal India to squat in the
> 'settlements...giving them financial aid(not unlike Saddam giving
> money to the family of the deceased suicide bombers, one might say)and
> making them willing targets to steal more land that doesnt belong to
> them in the first place.
>
I think the Peruvian thing is just stupid of the Israelis to allow and smart
of the peruvians to scam on, but I do draw a distinction between
relocating for money and suicide bombing for it. Apparently, you do
not.
>
> [Joe Dees]..such as getting their children to blow
> themselves up in crowds of Israeli kids,
>
> [Mermaid]Children? You mean to say that Arab children are sent to blow
> up crowds of Israeli kids by their own parents? Where exactly did you
> read this? Can I see?
>
There has been testimony from Palestinian parents of successful
suicide bombers who stated that they were proud of their dead little
assassin progeny and that they hoped that some of their siblings would
join them.
>
> [Joe Dees]..praising them when packs of them stone Israelis,
>
> [Mermaid]Settlers stone Arabs too.
>
As frequently? It is wrong for either side to do it in MY book, but you
apparently condemn one and cheerlead the other.
>
> [Joe Dees]...kill anyone they suspect might be a collaborator,
>
> [Mermaid]Well..that's just plain wrong. They must send these suspected
> collaborators back to Israel. They deserve to be Israeli citizens.
>
It ain't gonna happen. They'd prefer to kill them and publicly exhibit
their dead bodies.
>
> [Joe Dees]..invade homes with AK-47's and murder all the men, women
> and children within.
>
> [Mermaid]So does the IDF, Israeli military and the settlers. It seems
> they are the same. One might wonder why you would like to support
> Israel instead? Because Sept 11 was carried out by 'moslems'...so
> Palestinians should be punished?...:)
>
Actually, ummm, no. I do not think that you can show me where entire
families in a home, including women and children, have been
systematically gunned down by IDF forces.
I support both sides living in their own separate states in peace, but I do
not see the Palestinian militants as willing to accept any solution that
includes Israeli survival.
>
> [Mermaid]You are very hurt, Joe. Nobody hugged you or comforted you
> after Sept 11. I dont think anyone sat you down and heard you out. I
> refuse to accept that you are a terrible human being. Please seek
> help.
>
I'm not the terrible human being; the jihadists and their cheerleaders
are the morally bankrupt ones, but they're too self-righteously blind to
see same.
>
> [Joe Dees]Dimona is there. You can't flush that reality away.
>
> [Mermaid]I only flushed your assumptions about anti-semites in our
> midst just because some of us do not support and applaud Israel's
> atrocities.
>
I have seen selective condemnation here that indicates a great deal of
antisemitism, including contorted and convoluted apologetics for 70+
Palestinian suicide bombings of Israelis in the past year. Why the
absence of condemnation for that continues drumbeat of atrocity, hunh?
I thought so. To the antisemites here, they deserve to die, and why?
Just because they're Jews.
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