From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri Sep 13 2002 - 11:55:18 MDT
On 13 Sep 2002 at 11:38, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Casey Averred] The worth of my word is intact.
>
> [Hermit Responds]
>
> 2.4.1 Council proceedings are confidential unless and until the
> Council decides otherwise on a case-by-case basis. Any Hierarch may
> veto a breach of the confidentiality. Comment The Council proceedings
> shall be confidential as they may deal with matters that could cause
> harm or distress if they were to become public.
>
> 2.6.1 Council pronouncements are collective. When a Council speaks to
> a Congregation or Locus, it speaks with one voice. Comment The intent
> of the collective persona is to make all council decisions anonymous –
> both to avoid personality conflicts on the list, and to avoid power
> seeking behavior on the part of council members.
>
> It was determined, in correspondence to which you were a party, that
> the Council should not be made public until it made that
> determination... Which, it never did.
>
> And regarding the members of the Hierarchs:
>
> This list is not for publication, or dissemination to anyone other
> than council members....
>
> And from previous correspondence:
>
> [Hermit Historic] ...You freely committed yourself to silence about
> the Hierarchs and to the doctrine of collective responsibility. Here
> you made a deliberate choice, reflected by your "excuse me," which
> showed that you knew that you were breaking your word, and chose to do
> so any way. Does commitment mean as little to you as rationality - and
> responsibility?...
>
> [Casey Historic] ...As you already know, I have not mentioned the FH
> in the public forum while I was here before, only to individuals who
> were or are involved with it. And since I returned, I have not
> mentioned it to anyone, nor would I want to....
>
> [Casey Historic] ...If you read all of [suppressed Hermit] posts from
> over the weekend you will notice he made reference to a Hierarchy. I
> did not post this in some attempt to OUT YOU.... Btw, I don't play
> hard ball like that. If you don't think so, then ask others on this
> list who know me....
>
> [Hermit] The worth of your word may be "intact", whatever that means,
> but it seems that it is coin of little value and that perhaps it is
> you who should be making apologies instead of standing on a barrel
> protesting your self-supposed trustworthiness, stability, honesty, and
> concern for others. You do "play hardball" like that and "commitment”
> does indeed seem to mean as little to you as rationality" or
> "responsibility"
>
> [Casey] Thank you. My cousin, Bill, is a trustworthy, stable and
> reliable individual. Our family's stability has never been in
> question. Thank you.
>
> [Hermit] I could cite from private correspondence, but won't. Bill is
> not a part of this particular wrestling match, but I certainly have
> not mischaracterized his statements.
>
> [Casey] Hermit, your lack of empathy was displayed prominently
> yesterday with your virulent attack on Joe Dees, and his mother's
> condition.
>
> [Hermit] Horseshit. Refer
> http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=51;action=display;threadi
> d=26552. The list has had far too much warmongering in the guise of
> empathy and snide commentary finished off with loving regards. A
> little more honesty and a little less catering to the brain damaged
> and those undermining every effort to tidy up would be good. Take a
> careful look at the history of the list. On every occasion – without
> fail – where you have single-mindedly (perhaps unthinkingly would be
> more appropriate) leapt to the challenge of defending someone or a
> position it has resulted in a further deterioration. I used to think
> it was merely ineptness and instability. But your latest tossing of
> feet into the ring makes me wonder if there is more. As for Joe, his
> recent vicious characterization of fellow Virians as racists,
> anti-Americans, pro-terrorists, insane conspiracy nuts, babblers and
> insignificant, and attempted use of epithet in place of argument
> precludes me from!
> empathizing with him on any score.
>
> [Casey] It is again on display with this post regarding Bill, myself,
> and our family.
>
> [Hermit] I didn’t ask Bill to comment on the historic instability of
> your side of the family. But knowing that you don’t mind breaching
> confidentiality, or starting “little wars” with pointed jabs from the
> sidelines, I don’t mind demonstrating to you why others don’t much
> appreciate it.
>
> [Casey] Hermit, you should be ashamed of yourself. You profess to be
> a member of the congregation, yet you continue NOT to subscribe to the
> Virian Virtue of empathy. Please take the time to re-read the Virian
> Virtues. You may be surprised at how charity and compassion (which
> fall under Empathy) can lead you to becoming a better Virian..
>
> [Hermit] No, I have no need to be ashamed, and I doubt that you will
> teach me anything I want to learn about being a Virian, keeping my
> word, or most especially being a human.
>
> [Casey] Why do members of the First Hierarch have the label
> "Silverback" posted next to their profiles on the BBS? If the First
> Hierarch eventually disbanded then why attach that label?
>
> [Hermit] Actually, all those once recognized by fellow Virians as
> having been worth emulating are still so marked. But they haven’t been
> updated in a while.
>
> [Casey] Also, why has Bill Roh been banned from signing up to the CoV
> mailing list after he did not agree with your stance?
>
> [Hermit] No Casey. Bill departed in a fit of high-dudgeon (as you have
> once or twice) and unsubscribed himself from all related lists. He has
> since resubscribed. Any difficulties he may have had are due to his
> ineptness with a computer.
>
> [Casey] Bill Roh has been more than just a contributor to this list.
> He has offered and supplied, those in the CoV, accomodations for
> Virian retreats.
>
> [Hermit] And offended many. But you once said to me:
>
> [Casey Historic] I shouldn't, nor won't, share anything regarding Bill
> with anyone on this list without his explicit permission. Which he
> has not given me, nor have I asked for. There's a thing called
> privacy that I respect.
>
> [Hermit] I guess you were not being quite honest. Again. Or should
> that be, as usual?
>
> [Casey] Just to reiterate a point. Hermit, you've lied.
>
> [Hermit] Just to make a point, I don’t think your raw assertion is
> sufficient - especially after being shown so publicly for the
> untrustworthy, fool you undoubtedly are. Please show me where you
> think I have lied or offer an appropriate apology along with the
> others that you owe a large number of people?
>
> [Casey] I ask that you take the time to go back to university to
> attain your PhD in psychology. Then, at that point, if you feel the
> need to conduct a psychological profile of me, or anyone on this list,
> you will have the proper credentials to do so.
>
> [Hermit] I don’t feel the need or the inclination to look so closely
> at somebody as nastily vindictive with as great a need to be seen as
> reasonable as you appear to be. It doesn't take a PhD in psychology to
> recognize somebody who is fundamentally disturbed. And while I can
> feel sorry for you, I cannot condone your chosen method of attempting
> to make yourself feel better about yourself by attempting to star in
> some kind of "save the CoV from the Hermit" parade irrespective of the
> cost which you decided should be paid by others. As Suetonius put it,
> "It is the right of every adult to determine for himself, whether to
> leave or stay. Yet, once he has decided to stay he should not
> complain, for his was the decision and his alone." I see your face,
> thus you decided to stay. What are you complaining about, you very
> little man?
>
As far as being fundamentally disturbed, I think you should consult a
mirror; as far as tidying up, I would urge you to take a cleansing shower
to wash the slime, shit and spittle off your face, but I have too much
sympathy for the shower water to wish it to be subjected to being
blended with such filth.
>
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