From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat Sep 14 2002 - 19:54:56 MDT
On 14 Sep 2002 at 15:35, Archibald Scatflinger wrote:
It is immediately obvious that the list name does not refer to Elaine.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elaine" <lizral@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
> To: <CYBERMIND@LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: taliban's dark ages
>
>
> > > Certainly there is no evidence that further invasions of countries
> > > in
> the
> > middle east will do anything to remove fundamentalism. And indeed,
> everyone
> > in that part of the world must be wondering if the US will stop with
> > Afghanistan and Iraq, and wondering whether it will thsn invade
> > Iran, or Syria, and attempt to occupy th whole middle east. I'm not
> > saying this
> is
> > Bush's plan, but people in the are must have these kinds of
> > questions.
> >
> > As educated as i am, and while i believe every human being is my
> > brother
> and
> > sister regardless of race, religion and culture, Bush's continual
> > threats
> of
> > war are overwhelming. Regardless of anything else, i am a Mother of
> > four teenage children, my eldest two, a daughter 18 and a son almost
> > 17. I have never forgotten Vietnam. Although only 15/16 at the time,
> > i had many
> friends
> > who were called up, against their will, for National Service, just
> > because America wanted to fight a war. Now my heart is filled with
> > dread. America wants another war. Australian officials have already
> > stated that we do not have the numbers to support America. For God
> > sake, there are only 19
> million
> > people in total in this country. I am terrified that National
> > Service will be implimented again. I am terrified that my son and
> > daughter will be
> called
> > to fight in a war America insist they want, as a form of revenge.
> > American hatred? Take my son and daughter, allow them to be murdered
> > for American revenge and yes i will hate America and all it stands
> > for. If National Service is implimented and if i can get my hands on
> > a gun (which goodness knows how i could), i would rather shoot my
> > own children in the foot than allow them to be sacrificed for
> > American pride.
> >
> > Love & Hugs
> > Elaine
> > >
> > > I suspect that part of the reason for fundamentalisms is that the
> > > world is extremly complex, it is impossible to avoid contact with
> > > other ideologies and other people, and so that people are stating
> > > their own position and identity in opposition to this other.
> > >
> > > It might also be because the most wide spread powerful
> > > fundamentalism is global capitalism, and the requirement that
> > > everything be run according to its laws. In general people seem to
> > > want to have morals which transcend money, perhaps because
> > > reducing everything to money reduces everything that is
> > > fundamental to human being. And the West has been amazingly
> > > succesful in promulgating this particular fundamentalism.
> > >
> > > There is also the question of what promulgates a belief, and it
> > > might be that fundamentalisms which allow everything to be reduced
> > > to a set of rules, are actually very effective in promulgating
> > > themselves, as they lead people to try and wipe out contrary
> > > evidence, and those who hold contrary positions. They also tend to
> > > make people feel that they are an important part of the cosmos, as
> > > their rules are not merely social rules but natural or divine.
> > > Also humans often seem to find certainty persuasive in itself.
> > >
> > > jon
> > >
>
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