From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Tue Sep 24 2002 - 17:04:22 MDT
On 24 Sep 2002 at 15:50, Michelle wrote:
> That seems a little touchy...
>
> The conversation that you responded to _I_ started - no big deal, I
> was asking more about truth in general, and I know I was getting close
> to a nerve, but it was handled well and without undue emotion, as far
> as I thought.
>
> I hope we can all forgive and move forward... it's a tenuous quiet we
> have right now, a tentative reaching toward civil discourse again...
>
It's okay; sebby 'gets' it now...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr Sebby" <drsebby@hotmail.com>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:01 PM
> Subject: virus: SHUT UP JOE!!! jesus christ!
>
>
> >
> > ....STOOOOOOOOPPPP!!! even if someone asks you etc. please just
> > stop!
> you
> > know very well that if you keep presenting your side of the story,
> > this
> will
> > invite a response. this sort of behavior just serves to make it
> > more and more clear who was the effective instigator or
> > pourer-o-fuel-on-fire. can ya just quit for all our sakes???
> > please?
> >
> > drsebby.
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> > Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: Re: virus: topic
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:01:30 -0500
> >
> > On 23 Sep 2002 at 14:39, Michelle wrote:
> >
> > > [Joe] I know things that many others do not, just as many others
> > > know things that I do not; it benefits us all for each of us to
> > > both share our respective knowledge with others, and desire to
> > > receive knowledge from others, for such sharing raises the
> > > average general level of knowledge.
> > >
> > > [Michelle] If you assume that there is such a thing as Truth
> > > that needs to be disseminated, then you assume that some have
> > > knowledge of it and some don't. What is the best method for
> > > determining who has it and who doesn't? How can we apply
> > > standards of truth and falsehood and remain humble to the
> > > prospect that someone else might have a better answer? It seems
> > > that the analysis of the underlying memes is the most indicative
> > > of whether a position is formed from motivation to Truth or
> > > motivation to meme propagation - the fundamental distinction
> > > being openness to being proved wrong, correct? Anyone motivated
> > > by Truth is open to being proven wrong, and anyone motivated by
> > > being _right_ is certainly not open to being proven _wrong_.
> > >
> > > I always run into this when trying to have discussions about
> > > anything... I am kept from assertion by the need to be
> > > unassertive to serve the greater goal of finding Truth... what
> > > happens then?
> > >
> > I quote from Hermit's quotations of me in FAQ: Faith and truth in
> > science Joe Dees provided an elegant formal summary: Quote: "The
> > presence of evidence for a contention necessarily relegates
> > adherence to that contention to the realm of empirical, and
> > therefore probable - rather than absolute - knowledge; it is only in
> > the absence of evidence that adherence to a contention can be
> > considered
> to
> > be belief or faith in
> > it. Subjective transcendent conceptions of ultimacy are believed in,
> > not known, as in fact are any ultimate conceptions, be they
> > transcendent or immanent, since
> Popperian
> > Falsifiability
> > precludes the admittance of any absolute universal positive
> > empirical truth-claim, and transcendent conceptions are by
> > definition neither testable themselves nor derivable from other
> > testable propositions.
> >
> > As Joe Dees described it, science seeks
> > Quote:
> > three measures of validity, and therefore of sufficiency, internal
> > consistency (no reductio ad absurdums within the contention),
> > external coherency (there is no logical conflict with contiguous
> > truths) and faithful referential correspondence (the
> proposition
> > seamlessly represents
> > an observable state/process of affairs). There three are practically
> > never found in isolation; when one applies, all three do.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > DrSebby.
> > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> >
> >
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