From: Bill Roh (billroh@churchofvirus.com)
Date: Mon Aug 04 2003 - 16:43:32 MDT
Thanks for proving my point. Your answer is as it is because in the
past, when evidence is given, you ignored it. Now it looks like you need
more proof, and will you ignore that as well? I think so. If I have to
prove the same thing over and over again, and you fail to research any
one of them, the problem is yours. If you don't think that someone with
a reputation of dishonesty will continue to be dishonest, that is your
problem as well. At this stage, the argument is just repetative.
Hermit's been convicted many a time, I have had him lie straight to my
face, and demonstrated it here. It's not an hominen, it's a statement of
fact. When Hermit was flaming me, did you ask him to prove his
assertions? I don't remember seeing that. Did you even check what he
wrote? Go ahead, tell me ya did. Did you stop reading his post
immediately after his attacks on others as you have done in my case?
And, um, no. Looks to me like the boot of double standards fits here
quite well. While I am in general fond of the group, the last few years
have been dismal from my perspective. The integrity and values of the
congregation has become more of mix of malcontents with angry agendas,
then genuinely sincere, earnest people looking to a future religion. The
people who challenged Hermit in the past have been flamed out, most
before your arrival. There are still many here that I am close to, but
most choose to remain silent on the relationships to protect each other
from Hermit's flaming. How sad a statement, that after six years I have
to hide my friendships with church members from other members. How sad
that so many of you will discover this the hard way, and will be
betrayed, but it is yours to discover.
And I could care less about the ratings. I am interested in this only in
that it is a beta from David. My input requires my participation and I
do like to help. My reputation and opinion of myself would not be, in
any way, related to anything the CoV can do, so I could care less. The
system simply sounds interesting to me, I usually enjoy tinkering with
David's creations, betas, and recommendations.
I do not mean to be rude to you, Kalkor, and if I have been I am sorry.
When you investigate for yourself, even using Hermit's provided leads,
and find that I am correct, will you even be able to change your
opinion? Will you be able to realize that any person who frequently
practices deception, will not change once you catch them? Will you
assume it is a sometimes error or will you assume that it is SOP? Do you
think patterns of behaviour change all that much?
Kalkor wrote:
>[Bill]
><snip>
>Anyone who dares to research Hermit's posts, will find them rife with
>dishonesty and obfuscation.
><snip>
>
>[Kalkor]
>I stopped reading your post after I got to this line, Bill. I will continue
>when you clarify and/or support the assertion. To paraphrase:
>
>"I assert 'A'. I provide no support for my assertion; the reader must take
>my assertion at face value as true and I further instruct the reader to
>perform his/her own research to verify the validity of MY assertion."*
>
>Please treat us like rational humans. And please don't make the same
>assumption that I have already responded to Joe about, namely that we will
>rate you unfairly simply because you think we will. Give us a bit more
>credit than that, please.
>
>(* also note that a logic truth table will show your statement to be false
>most of the time... someone biased towards hermit who dares to research
>hermit's post will most certainly find nothing of the sort <wink>)
>
>Kalkor
>
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