From: Walter Watts (wlwatts@cox.net)
Date: Tue Aug 05 2003 - 22:22:24 MDT
A large, hearty AMEN from the grey-haired dickweed in the last pew.....
Walter
Bill Roh wrote:
> I oppose splitting the CoV because I do not think that a political
> entity serves the COV in any way, and because cooperation is a vital
> aspect of any groups ability to compete and grow.
>
> An agreed upon peace treaty of sorts seems the most likely way, IMO, to
> reduce tensions. Something along the lines of a "cease fire", then
> arbitration regarding ways to get along. Treat all parties the same, and
> promote their cooperation by having everyone who supports the "treaty"
> say so here in writing. And name people who are perpetuating the
> problems after the treaty. Choose relatively objective observers -
> perhaps chosen by David, that most all of us will agree is serving the
> better interest of the CoV. By the looks of the reputation board, this
> would fall to you, Kharin and Rhino.
>
> Kharin wrote:
>
> >Some thoughts on the schism proposals and the condition of the Virian community generally.
> >
> >While I happen to find the schism idea unpalatable for a number of reasons (largely because while the two churches might be more succesful than a single one might be, they could inevitably gravitate towards a somewhat conformist outlook instead of being confronted with reasoned arguments of opposed views* i.e. the utility of heterodoxy), I'm somewhat reluctant to go any further than voicing reservations for the simple reason that the only alternatives I am aware of (banning, censorship, moderation etc) are for the most part even more unpalatable. If I have no better alternative, I have little right to complain.
> >
> >While I think Calvin is correct to say that co-operation is a pre-requisite for the CoV to function, my suspicion is that the social fabric of the CoV is too badly damaged for that to be possible at this juncture; I am very pessimistic that the status quo is a feasible option. Jonathan also raised a valid point that many of us do not fit neatly into the two opposed viewpoints we appear to be confronted with (For example, I agree with Joe to some extent concerning his analysis of Islamic theocratic fascism, but am likely to disagree that preserving secularism and modernity figures greatly in the minds of most Western administrations), but it is surely those viewpoints that have suffered the most in the sniping, largely due to self censorship.
> >
> >It would be of great assistance, if those explicitly opposed to the idea of schism, could elaborate some proposals that would permit the Cov to maintain diversity within its stated framework but to remain co-operative and amicable in character (one possibility might be split forums on a single bbs dedicated to differing political persuasions.) Proposals along the lines of 'Hermit should jump under a bus' will not be regarded as being constructive.
> >
> >* Not that that is what we have at present. Arguments, certainly.
> >
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