From: Jonathan Davis (jonathan.davis@lineone.net)
Date: Thu Sep 25 2003 - 03:14:04 MDT
Hi Jake,
You say "I would agree that the USA has had a tradition of choosing
diplomacy and consensus, but the current administration has shown a very
clear preference for unilateral action over diplomacy and consensus. Indeed
often not just a preference, but the sole "strategy""
This is simply false. This administration has always acted with a coalition
of partners and allies including the United Kingdom. Can you cite an
examples of this administration acting unilaterally? Also, can you explain
why this Cold War concept of bi- and unilateralism is being used where it is
nearly meaningless in this context?
You see unilateralism, I see a coalition of 49 countries. Perhaps it is you
who needs to have his ideo-memetic health checked as "rather obvious public
facts" appear to directly contradict your counterclaims.
Kind regards
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Jake Sapiens
Sent: 24 September 2003 20:30
To: virus
Subject: Unilateralism (was: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1)
Okay, I am still in the process of digesting the E-Zine, so I haven't read
Hermit's piece yet, (but I will soon), but I can't let Jonathan's assertion
below just slide by. I would agree that the USA has had a tradition of
choosing diplomacy and consensus, but the current administration has shown a
very clear preference for unilateral action over diplomacy and consensus.
. Indeed other modes of conducting foreign policy seem almost missing from
this administrations repertoire. (Colin Powell not withstanding since they
seem to more or less ignore him making his diplomacy ineffective before he
starts). I can't imagine what (other than perhaps an ideological/memetic
infection) would lead Jonathan to not notice these rather obvious public
facts.
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Jonathan Davis <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 09/15/2003 2:02:23 AM
> Subject: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
>
> You say the USA holds the community of nations in manifest contempt,
> yet
I
> see no such contempt. I see the USA, despite its overwhelming power,
> choosing diplomacy and consensus. The USA has withdrawn from some
treaties,
> but it was perfectly fair for them to do so. If an agreement
> disadvantages you, you are entitled to void the agreement and renegotiate.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On
> Behalf
Of
> Blunderov
> Sent: 15 September 2003 08:45
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
>
>
>
> Jonathan Davis
> > Sent: 14 September 2003 1840
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
> >
> > I was spooked by Hermit's Chinese-commit-genocide piece but for me
> > it
> was
> > ruined by its overt anti-Americanism (if that term can be applied to
> what
> > appears *in my opinion* to be Hermit's pathological hatred of
> America).
>
>
> [Bl.] Whether Hermit has a hatred of America, and whether, if so, this
> hatred is pathological or not, I cannot say. What I can say is that it
> is equally possible, based on the evidence before us, that he is a
> fervent patriot. It depends on your point of view.
>
> When the British invaded China in the 18th Century they found maps in
which
> China occupied the almost whole of the document; peeping in at the
> corners of these maps were tiny representations of what were
> characterized as 'Barbarian' nations - Britain, France and the USA. It
> was clear that the Chinese world view allocated no importance to anything
other than China.
>
> Ironically, if one reads the Hermits list of broken American promises
> and treaties, it is difficult to conclude that the American world-view
> is any less solipsistic than the Chinese maps of yore.
>
> It is almost risible that such a self-avowedly 'democratic' nation
> should hold the community of nations in such manifest contempt. Almost.
>
>
> Best Regards
> Blunderov
>
>
>
>
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