From: Blunderov (squooker@mweb.co.za)
Date: Mon Oct 13 2003 - 15:04:03 MDT
[Blunderov1]
I do not assert anything about the nature of existence except that it
exists. In order to attempt to falsify this statement, I, or something else,
would have to exist in order to do so. Therefore it cannot be falsified.
This point is fundamental to my particular 'method' of refutating 'god': I
have never met a theist who did not claim that god was the 'creator' but
this is not supportable. It is not possible that anything in existence has
not always existed, because it is not possible to obtain something from
nothing without tampering with the meaning of 'nothing'. Therefore there can
have been no creator - everything that exists must always (in some form or
another) have existed.*
Of course theists often claim this characteristic of 'always having existed'
as being unique to their god - but it begs the question. God would have had
to create the universe/s from something that already existed i.e. itself.
Therefore EVERYTHING must be god - which is the Pantheist position.
'Pantheism is the acceptable face of atheism' (Schopenhauer)
Best Regards
* I recently found out that an old Greek by the name of Parmenides also
thought this.
On Behalf Of Ant
Sent: 13 October 2003 2139
Not with complete certainty...
There is existence... but what exists? where? Cogito ergo sum, but where is
the I that is thinking? In this fleshy body? In a jewel? [a la Greg Egan] do
I have separate existence from everyone else? does everyone else have the
same perceptions of existence.
On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:15 PM, Blunderov wrote:
Erik Aronesty
Sent: 13 October 2003 1940
Everyone has a belief system of some sort - it is the basis of all
knowledge. It is not possible to "know" something in the sense of
absolute and unchangable fact. You can, however choose to believe in
things that have been verified by either your own senses or by others
or
by some induction therof.
[Blunderov]
Can I not state with complete certainty that 'there is existence'? Is it
possible to falsify this statement?
Best Regards
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