From: Jei (jei@cc.hut.fi)
Date: Tue Nov 25 2003 - 03:30:59 MST
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, sun tzu wrote:
>
> So a moderate can be anyone who is objective, rational, and scientific.
> In that case, there are many extremists, like me, who are also
> moderates. No. What I mean is that a moderate respects others and their
> opinions.
* If you wish to make people moderate, you need to motivate
the non-moderates to moderacy: penalize and/or reward them.
* If you wish to balance one sided dominating extremism to result
in general consensus policy considered moderate, counterbalancing
with equal and opposite extremism in addition should as work well.
General success in the policies of president Bush, using these
very same methods, serve as a very good example in the opposite:
driving the moderates to support very extremist policies of their
government. In general, this happens by questioning the patriotism
or condemning the moderates for the lack of it. Some very nice
examples of this exist for example in how vietnam veterans were
ousted from U.S. congress for their lack of patriotism. It is
really very efficient.
1) "You're either with us, or against us." (extremize the moderates)
2) "Are you an Al-Qaeda apologist/sympathizer?" (condemning the moderacy
for their moderate doings / moderate words)
3) Rewarding the loyal dogs with bones. (Blair with visits, money to
Berlusconi, Spain's president, other world leaders who support him.)
4) Punish those against
Countering this would be:
1) extremize (bush = fascist lunacy, treat them as the minority)
2) condemn (you're not with us / american)
3) reward (with attention and thanks, if nothing else)
4) punish (with attention and verbal battering if nothing else)
Another method used by Bush, is simply outright lying and disguising
the extremist policies and operations as moderate to get the support
needed, or simply hiding them from the public and conducting as
much of them in secret as possible.
Fascism, seeing how it has now taken over America, has usually
only one end: banana-republication and general collapse to anarchy.
Frankly, I don't think Bush is going to be ousted from power.
The end for Bush dynasty is going to come through the slow economic
collapse of the America and the rise of Asia to world power. Bush is
going to be the dictator for a loong time in the banana republic of
his very own making.
Some helpful definitions:
moderate:
5 definitions found
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, n. (Eccl. Hist.)
One of a party in the Church of Scotland in the 18th century,
and part of the 19th, professing moderation in matters of
church government, in discipline, and in doctrine.
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Moderated}; p. pr. &
vb. n. {Moderating}.]
1. To restrain from excess of any kind; to reduce from a
state of violence, intensity, or excess; to keep within
bounds; to make temperate; to lessen; to allay; to
repress; to temper; to qualify; as, to moderate rage,
action, desires, etc.; to moderate heat or wind.
By its astringent quality, it moderates the relaxing
quality of warm water. --Arbuthnot.
To moderate stiff minds disposed to strive.
--Spenser.
2. To preside over, direct, or regulate, as a public meeting;
as, to moderate a synod.
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, a. [L. moderatus, p. p. of moderate,
moderati, to moderate, regulate, control, fr. modus measure.
See {Mode}.]
Kept within due bounds; observing reasonable limits; not
excessive, extreme, violent, or rigorous; limited;
restrained; as:
(a) Limited in quantity; sparing; temperate; frugal; as,
moderate in eating or drinking; a moderate table.
(b) Limited in degree of activity, energy, or excitement;
reasonable; calm; slow; as, moderate language; moderate
endeavors.
(c) Not extreme in opinion, in partisanship, and the like;
as, a moderate Calvinist.
A number of moderate members managed . . . to
obtain a majority in a thin house. --Swift.
(d) Not violent or rigorous; temperate; mild; gentle; as, a
moderate winter. ``Moderate showers.'' --Walter.
(e) Limited as to degree of progress; as, to travel at
moderate speed.
(f) Limited as to the degree in which a quality, principle,
or faculty appears; as, an infusion of moderate strength;
a man of moderate abilities.
(g) Limited in scope or effects; as, a reformation of a
moderate kind. --Hooker.
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, v. i.
1. To become less violent, severe, rigorous, or intense; as,
the wind has moderated.
2. To preside as a moderator.
Dr. Barlow [was] engaged . . . to moderate for him
in the divinity disputation. --Bp. Barlow's
Remains
(1693).
From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:
moderate
adj 1: being within reasonable or average limits; not excessive or
extreme; "moderate prices"; "a moderate income"; "a
moderate fine"; "moderate demands"; "a moderate
estimate"; "a moderate eater"; "moderate success"; "a
kitchen of moderate size"; "the X-ray showed moderate
enlargement of the heart" [ant: {immoderate}]
2: not extreme; "a moderate penalty"; "temperate in his
response to criticism" [syn: {temperate}]
3: marked by avoidance of extravagance or extremes; "moderate
in his demands"; "restrained in his response" [syn: {restrained}]
n : a person who takes a position in the political center [syn:
{centrist}, {middle of the roader}, {moderationist}]
v 1: preside over; "John moderated the discussion" [syn: {chair},
{lead}]
2: make less fast or intense; "moderate your speed"
3: lessen the intensity of; temper; hold in restraint; hold or
keep within limits; "moderate your alcohol intake"; "hold
your tongue"; "hold your temper"; "control your anger"
[syn: {control}, {hold in}, {hold}, {contain}, {check}, {curb}]
4: make less severe or harsh; "He moderated his tone when the
students burst out in tears" [syn: {mince}, {soften}]
5: make less strong or intense; soften; "Tone down that
aggressive letter"; "The author finally tamed some of his
potentially offensive statements" [syn: {tone down}, {tame}]
6: restrain or temper [syn: {chasten}, {temper}]
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