From: Jonathan Davis (jonathan.davis@lineone.net)
Date: Fri May 21 2004 - 02:32:25 MDT
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From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
rhinoceros
Sent: 20 May 2004 19:50
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Subject: virus: Re:Jerusalem Post promotes genocide?
[rhinoceros] Erik, you are right of course, but I was talking about "a
story", not an argument.
I'll have to spell it out, I guess.
(1) Jonathan replies to the UN condemnation and US reprimanding: "I am glad
they are finishing what they started, despite the civilian losses. Otherwise
they will simply have to do it all again. This will all be over when they
pull out of Gaza as planned."
(2) A similar story by swapping actors would be this: "I am glad they blew
up those Israelis in the bus; keep up the good work and all will soon be
over."
[Jonathan] This is completely wrong, Rhino. Let me spell it out: I am glad
the Israelis are finishing the job of destroying the terrorists lines of
supply despite the fact that civilians were accidentally killed (in disputed
circumstances) earlier in the operation. I believe the destruction of
militants in this operation will save lives in the long run on both sides.
If you needed *truly* reverse the actors you would have to be consistent
with principles (unless you deliberately are inverting Israeli and
Palestinian values?). Thus, the other sides' view, consistent with Israeli
values, would be something like "I am glad our fighters are taking on the
Israeli soldiers who are incurring into Gaza, even though some Israeli
civilians were accidentally killed by a stray RPG. It will make them think
twice about barging in here again and that will save lives on both sides."
The only way you can arrive at your version is if you reverse not just
roles, but fighting values (accidental killing of civilians versus
deliberate killing of civilians) which is ironically, exactly the situation
on the ground.
Kind regards
Jonathan
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