From: Jonathan Davis (jonathan.davis@lineone.net)
Date: Thu May 06 2004 - 13:04:11 MDT
Have anything on Islamist methods of torture? I thought you might have some
of those video clips of people being set alight, having their arms pulled
off my jeeps, their testicles cut off or throats cut?
Given that the US army dished out less violence to those Iraqis than was
typically dished out to army recruits (before hazing was banned), I think
they got off lightly.
Using words like "Torture" and "Abhorrent" is a bit strong. What words do we
have left for things like Daniel Perle being sliced open on tape? Are people
seriously suggesting there is some equivalence between this ultra-rare
conduct of rogue soldiers and what is routine in the Islamic world (torture
and murder of prisoners)?
Oh ye innocents.
Regards
Limbic
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On Thu, 6 May 2004, rhinoceros wrote:
>
> Oh frabjous day! Welcome back Jonathan. I see that we managed to get your
attention to the matters of the church after all. If I understand your
sources correctly, Saddam's weapons of mass destruction have already been
found but there is a conspiracy of the mass media to keep it a secret,
right? So it is not correct that Saddam was telling the truth and that Bush
administration was lying, right? And they have been keeping it a secret from
Bush himself too, right? Everything seems possible at the point we have
reached, doesn't it?
>
> What about Syria? Should they be invaded and searched and taught some
Democracy in the process?
>
>
> Now, where was that torch?
> Here is my Quiz of the Day. Who said this last Tuesday?
>
> <begin quote> "My impression is that what has been charged thus far is
> abuse, which I believe technically is different from torture ... I
> don't know if it is correct to say what you just said, that torture
> has taken place, or that there's been a conviction for torture. And
> therefore I'm not going to address the torture word." <end quote>
>
> Spoiler here. Don't look.
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/05/06/torture/index_np.ht
> ml
Now that was beautifully put. XD
Here's a piece of History about a UN Vote on Torture:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1019.htm
And here's a nice Written by Americans for Americans and all other torturers
of the word: A CIA Manual on How to Torture.
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubark06.htm
There used to be a story report on this manual that put it in many nice
words, but the gist was that what we've seen in Iraq, was pretty much
advised and done as instructed by this book.
// Jei
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