From: Joe Dees (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Thu May 06 2004 - 17:55:06 MDT
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Joe Dees wrote:
>
> There have been many bad actions and decisions in US history (the big
> one being Vietnam, which we never should've taken over from the French),
> but the Afghan and Iraqi campaigns are not, in my opinion, two of them.
> I have also already stated that I approved neither of Bush's reactionary
> domestic social policies nor his fiscal irresponsibility; this disproves
> and refutes your claim that I cannot conceive of anything bad about the
> US (by provision of counterfactual evidence). You, however, have never
> had anything whatsoever good to say about either the US or any of its
Well, good things to say about the US. Hmms. You guys make good porn.
Your genetic heritage makes you an enterprising people, as well
as gullible, and it has also accidentally lead to some good things,
I'm sure. Financing for innovative technologies and startups, for
example, such as the project that lead to the foundation of the Internet,
due to which we are now able to so nicely flame each other.
(Joe) You neglected to mention a few things:
The saving of Europe thrice (WWI, WWII, Serbia) and soon to be again with Islamofascism
The saving of South Korea
The collapse of the Soviet Union
Good leaders... hmms. Bush has a nice face, but I don't much care
for his policies. Does that make him a good leader? Most Americans
seem to think so... But I think climate change is a real threat and should
be taken seriously. Kyoto Treaty might have done something to ease it..
The temperatures here are a lot hotter nowadays, out of season... I really
would prefer it cooler.. it isn't normal to have 27 degrees celcius here
at this time of year... only in mid-summer...
>
(Joe) The Senate refused to ratify that treaty, and Bush could not implement it in the absence of such ratification. BTW, Europe's countries haven't ratified it, either...he pursues the War on Terror well; if I had confidence that Kerry could do as well on that front, I'd vote for him, because I prefer Kerry's domestic social policies (they're both equally fiscally irresponsible, just in differing ways). But I don't see Kerry pursuing the War on Terror at all. And I know where neglecting that pursuit, as Clinton did, will end (another 9/11, or worse).
Clinton was a lot of entertainment.. Was he a good leader? His policies
weren't especially that good. Bombing medicine factories in Sudan to get
attention away from a blowjob... duh...
He did good in Bosnia. Not so good in Somalia.
Ronnie Ray-gun... he was a funny guy, but can't say if he was good or not.
Didn't really follow up on US politics then, so I reserve judgement. He
was a nice actor though.
(Joe) He militarily outspent the Soviet Union (via European Pershing Missile deployments and Star Wars research); they went bankrupt trying to keep up. This led to the demise of the Soviet bloc.
OTOH, he sold arms to Iran for hostages, and funnelled the proceeds to right-wing death squads operating in a brutal Central American regional guerilla war (some claim that the funds were increased by using them to buy cocaine, which was then flown by the CIA into the US and sold to US inner-city youth).
I'm sure Arnold the Terminator will make a nice president for you some
day. He can't be any worse.. And he's originally Austrian, so that makes
him practically a European.
(Joe) He cannot be a US president because he was born in Austria. Only native-born US citizens can become US presidents - it's in our constitution.
> leaders (at least that I've seen onlist), thus I countercharge you with
> being constitutionally unable to believe, accept or conceive of anything
> GOOD about America, and unable to accept the dead-body evidence of
> Syrian and Iranian infiltration and Baathist dead-enders.
There's probably agents of every government on earth there. And
I wouldn't be surprised if you found a few martians as well. I
hear they're worried the rover will discover their oil next.
(Joe) The US was getting that oil anyway, by buying it on the open market. It ain't any cheaper now; it's just that the Iraqi people get the money for it, instead of the Saddamite dictatorship and corrupt UN, French and German officials. It was they who were willing to sacrifice the blood of murdered Iraqis for the sake of oil.
And can you really blame them, if your president so much as spells
them "You're Next!", if they arrange some trouble to tie down US troops
in Iraq, so their time to die wouldn't come just as soon? It's what I
would do in their places at least.. Seems pretty logical to me.
(Joe) It's what Syria's Assad and the Iranian mullahs are doing, all right; they fear the model of a successful Iraqi democracy next door would inspire further insurrection in their restless peoples, who are already holding periodical por-democracy protests and riots. The ruling despots would much rather that totalitarianism continue to dominate in Iraq rather than have a democracy take hold there and spread seeds of hope throughout the region.
Interesting facts about the general you gave though. Can you give an
URL for source?
http://www.rutlandherald.com/04/Story/83111.html
http://www.sltrib.com/2004/May/05042004/nation_w/163208.asp
It was Shi'ites, not Kurds, that Saleh massacred.
> I furnish facts which I connect with logic and reason (having been a
> logic teacher at the university level, I am facile at employing the
> tools! ).
...
> NO, I am not a paid Zionist (or any other) agent, and YES, your bizarre
> and nonsensical moonbattery has deteriorated and degraded into paranoia.
Nice to know. Of course, you would say that, wouldn't you? Hehehehe.
Now, Bin Laden, Zawahiri, Zarqawi, Migniyah, Al-Douri, Sadr and Mullah Omar are NOT paranoid, because the US actually IS out to get them...
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