From: Hermit (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Fri Aug 02 2002 - 16:22:27 MDT
\\\\Mas"sa*cre\\\\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Massacred; p. pr. & vb. n. Massacring.] [Cf. F. massacrer. See Massacre, n.] To kill in considerable
numbers where much resistance can not be made; to kill with indiscriminate violence, without necessity, and contrary to the usages of nations; to butcher; to slaughter; -- limited to the killing of human beings.
If James should be pleased to massacre them all, as Maximian had massacred the Theban legion. --Macaulay.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
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[Hermit 1] Yes, considerable numbers were killed.
[Limbic 2] 'considerable' is a subjective standard. Given the scale of the fighting a tiny number died.
[Hermit 3] Hold on, you are now trying to change the maning of 'considerable' which simply means worthy of consideration. Is the number of civilian deaths which we have evidence for not worthy of consideration?
[Hermit 1] Yes, much resistance could not be made
[Limbic 2] Incorrect, 'considerable' resistance was made in this armed camp.
[Hermit 3] So you are saying that untrained guerillas armed with hand weapons and improvised bombs against trained troops supplied with mine-proof vehicles, tanks and helicopters put up effective resistance? From a psychological perspective it was of course heroic, but from a military perspective, I'd suggest that the resistance offered was essentially hopeless and that the resistors knew it.
[Hermit 3] In addition, characterising a civilian area as an armed camp is invalid. By that standard, any suburb of a town in texas is probably more of an armed camp. How many people in Jenin were armed as a fraction of the population?
[Hermit 1] Yes, indiscriminate violence was deployed.
[Limbic 2] This is simply false.
[Hermit 3] Please explain how a one ton air-to-ground missile "discriminates"? Or a 50mm machine gun round? How about the Israeli Helicopter pilot who reportedly refused orders to "blast Palestinian houses" Current news: Reply 100 (http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=11541;start=90)?
[Hermit 1] Yes, It was without necessity
[Limbic 2] This is simply false.
[Hermit 3] Please justify this assertion. If they had settled this half century long conflict at any time between 1948 and today, it would not have happened. I define that as unneccessary.
[Hermit 1] Yes, contrary to the usage of nations
[Limbic 2] This is simply and demonstrably false.
[Hermit 3] I'll provide just two examples for you to attempt to attempt refute to refute, I don't think that it is disputed that marked ambulances were fired on. Neither do I think that it is disputed that the Israelis attempt to "target" specific individual Palestinian leaders. Now read the Geneva Convention.
[Hermit 3] Or do you consider the Geneva Convention not to reflectt he usage of nations?
[Hermit 1] Yes, Palestinians are human beings too.
[Limbic 2] This is of course true but irrelevant. These humans were not massacred.
[Hermit 3] That is what we are attempting to establish. Don't try to assert that which you cannot support through argument.
[Hermit 1] Was there a massacre? You choose.
[Limbic 2] Of course not. Ask the UN, the Palestinians and the Israeli's - they all agree: No.
[Hermit 3] But as a civilized, rational person, you should make up your own mind, not rely on somebody else's assertions.
Regards
Hermit
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