From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri Aug 02 2002 - 18:07:06 MDT
On 2 Aug 2002 at 15:46, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees 4] Tu quoque. You are doing exactly that, no matter how
> vehemently you deny it; your sources themselves share your biases, and
> that is my point. Ther is only one root estimate to which you are
> referring, by amnesty international, and a whole bunch of cross-post
> copycats of it.
>
> [Hermit 5] I am with Mr Jenkins (infra). This is indeed becoming
> surreal. First you assert that individual deaths can be accounted for.
> When I ask for your list - or at least its source, you assert that all
> of the following sources - including eye-witnesses - derived their
> information from Amnesty International. Count them:H.J. Chien Pakistan
> Observer The Guardian Times of India CommonDreams Los Angeles Times
> The Boston Globe The Washington Post The Independent
> workingforchange.com The Frontier Post [Peshawar] BBC News Online
> Agence France Press Dawn [Hermit 5] Fourteen sources providing cross
> confirmation. Now seeing as you claim to be providing "facts", please
> provide the source that indicates that all of these sources obtained
> their figures from Amnesty International, or I will suspect that you
> are again citing your oipinion as "fact." Perhaps worth observing the
> source of those figures.Democracy Now! is a national,
> listener-sponsored public radio and TV show, pioneering ! the largest
> community media collaboration in the country. The program was launched
> six years ago as the only daily election show in public broadcasting.
> Because of its success, Democracy Now! broadened its focus and became
> a national news show committed to bringing the voices of the
> marginalized to the airwaves on issues ranging from the global to the
> local.
>
> [Joe Dees 6] So there IS a single source for them all, with an
> admitted political bias, and you just named it.
>
> [Hermit 7] Forgotten how to read as well as how to think? Notice that
> the study, which I obtained from democracy now, is an independent
> multi sourced meta analysis, which refered to the 14 sources I
> mentioned just to calculate the death toll over the 4 days in which
> you asserted that "only ten deaths" had occured. Not a "single
> source".
>
A single , agenda-ed source for a meta-analysis. To ignore that fact, after you
posted it, requires a lack of thought or a desire to avoid it.
>
> [Hermit 7] I still challenge you to prove the "fact" you asserted
> earlier, that supposedly indicates that all of these sources obtained
> their figures from Amnesty International... From the lack of response
> and the wriggling, I'm assuming you can't do it.
>
Apparently you were right on this one; Amnesty International was quoting your
agenda-driven meta-study, too.
>
> Hermit
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