From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Sep 05 2002 - 23:23:53 MDT
...fine, but the sort of fanatacism that islam encourages and indeed
produces in small quantities in modern times isnt something that can be
"taught a lesson" i fear. the "sleeping dog" in this situation appears to
have distemper. lessons cant be taught in this case i fear...there is no
centralized pillar to destroy, there are countless subgroups and individuals
that could care less about larger issues than their own personal anger,
angst, blue-ball induced jealous rage, and feeling important or effective in
a world that has left them in the stone age. what i am saying is this:
there is no lesson, no halfway etc...involvement has only one eventual goal
- total annihilation of islam. how can you think that 'halfway' doing this
job is going to result in a billion plus "happy and helpful" muslims the
world over? this isnt realistic in the slightest! in the words of
Yoda..."DO...or do NOT!...there is no 'try'". do you think im wrong? how?
drsebby.
----Original Message Follows----
From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: IRC debate
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:35:50 -0500
On 6 Sep 2002 at 6:06, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
> ...Joe, regarding your whole theory about attacking iraq etc.. what
> do you think will be the long term results? are we already in deep
> enough that perma-hatred for us to the point of terrorism has taken
> root? could we not back off and slowly nudge them towards the western
> world's notions of society by merely gradual introductions to things
> that all humans like such as 'twinkies', 'cable tv', britney's belly
> button, scotch, wanton sex with young whore-lets, wanton soup,
> shopping malls rife with girls in a frenzie of fashion, sex and
> shopping,.....pork sausage, the NFL, waterslide parks, and shopping on
> Melrose....and then just wait for them to "come around"? it seems
> like everyone else does if left alone. if we followed your reasoning
> to a 'T', it seems like vietnam was a good idea and we shouldve
> attacked the USSR back in the day. or...cuba wouldve been annexed,
> and further cold-war tensions wouldve arisen. what youre suggesting
> pretty much necessitates wiping out Islam - not a bad idea...but
> rather impossible to accomplish. the ideologies of the enemy arent
> going to go anywhere or lessen...when dealing with crazies, it is oft
> times better to wait them out and let them hang themselves so to
> speak. not all situations have a winning situation. this may be one
> of them.
>
It is not possible to wait out the suicidal faithful in a nuclear
world. That having been said, our argument is not with islam per se,
but with those contrarily medieval and and puritanical strains of it that
are eager, for the sake of a promised Paradise, to pull a Samson on us,
if they can but just grasp the nuclear pillars. We have to demonstrate
to them the pre-emptive power of human freedom. Otherwise, they will
demonstrate to us, once again and to a far greater measure, the
vicious, heartless and heedless power of celestial dogmatic bondage.
Let us not forget that many of the 9/11 terror flyers met in Las
Vegas prior to their fateful mission, and that the sight of that forbidden
yet tempting spectacle only served to steel their martyr's resolve. They
felt compelled by the temptation to their immortal souls, and the threat
to those of countless others, to proceed to wage collective terminal
jihad before they irretriveably yielded to the freely available pleasures
they had tasted.
>
> drsebby.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: IRC debate
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:06:25 -0500
>
> On 5 Sep 2002 at 19:41, Kalkor wrote:
>
> >
> > > [Joe Dees] It seems to me that Hermit is the scared one; scared
> to > > crawl out of his dark BBS garage and duke it out on the email
> list > > in clear vision of all the sundry Virus neighborhood kids. >
> > > > [Kalkor] Dood... are you the *ONLY* person who subscribes to
> this > > list that is *NOT* paying attention???????? It seems pretty
> clear to > > me that the whole point of this debate acceptance by
> Hermit is to > > take the annoying argument *OUT* of the mailing list
> where the rest > > of us have to wade through all the wordy bullshit.
> The caustic > > little ad hominem attacks and the needlessly verbose
> second-hand > > quote postings are the entire reason we *WANT* you to
> take this to > > another forum. Please do so, or we're all slowly
> going to be > > creating anti-joe filters in our respective email
> clients. How many > > have already done so, or plan to do so in the
> near future? Show of > > hands? > > > > <raises his hand> > > > >
> Seems that by increasing your output, you've shut off all your > >
> intake. Pay some attention, dood. Talk is cheap because the supply >
> > outweighs the demand. > > [Joe2] > And this in defence of the
> notoriously voluminous and wordy Hermit? > Whyncha expend some of
> this energy that you're burning trying to lure > Hermit outta his
> hidey-hole, and less trying to lure me in? > > [Kalkor2] > Please,
> may I have more words stuck into my mouth? Where, exactly, in > my
> last post, did I "defend" hermit? > > I'm sure it doesn't need to be
> said again, because it has been said > several times in the last
> couple days, but hermit's "voluminous and > wordy" posts come from
> his fingers and brain, which I find valuable. > Your "voluminous and
> wordy" posts appear as regurgitated drivel from > the minds of those
> sharing your viewpoint. You would do well to at > least alter the
> format of your posts to not give this impression. > > Moving on to
> your second "point"... > > I prefer to spend my energy in ways that
> benefit me or are useful to > me. Were Hermit to come "outta his
> hidey-hole" I would not be nearly > so benefitted as I would be were
> you to move this discussion out of > this forum and into one more
> appropriate. To be honest, I could care > less whether you debate
> hermit on this matter. As long as you shut the > fuck up for a while,
> I'll be happy. >
> And fuck you. too, BBS denizen! The vast majority of Hermit's
> contributions here have historically been cut'n'paste bullus shittus
> combined with snide comments; ifnya need any reminder, check both the
> list archives and 'Best of Virus' and commence a comparative analysis.
> When I adopted his tactics as the only available way to counter his
> list flooding, I am condemned, but not him, who has done so since list
> time immemorial. Go ahead and filter me, fuckwad! I care not, since
> your obviously precast opinion is of no consequence whatsoever to me.
> It'll be YOU who are missing out, not me.
> >
> > Kalkor
> >
>
>
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
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