From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Sep 05 2002 - 23:43:50 MDT
On 6 Sep 2002 at 7:23, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
> ...fine, but the sort of fanatacism that islam encourages and indeed
> produces in small quantities in modern times isnt something that can
> be "taught a lesson" i fear. the "sleeping dog" in this situation
> appears to have distemper. lessons cant be taught in this case i
> fear...there is no centralized pillar to destroy, there are countless
> subgroups and individuals that could care less about larger issues
> than their own personal anger, angst, blue-ball induced jealous rage,
> and feeling important or effective in a world that has left them in
> the stone age. what i am saying is this: there is no lesson, no
> halfway etc...involvement has only one eventual goal - total
> annihilation of islam. how can you think that 'halfway' doing this
> job is going to result in a billion plus "happy and helpful" muslims
> the world over? this isnt realistic in the slightest! in the words
> of Yoda..."DO...or do NOT!...there is no 'try'". do you think im
> wrong? how?
>
I'm just hoping we can forfend the screaming two year olds until they
mature beyond their medieval tantrums and join the modern world. If
that proves impossible, we have most of the land mass, 4/5 of the
population, and the great predominance of the WMD's. But, for all our
sakes, I dearly and sincerely hope that it doesn't come to that.
>
> drsebby.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: IRC debate
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:35:50 -0500
>
> On 6 Sep 2002 at 6:06, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
> >
> > ...Joe, regarding your whole theory about attacking iraq etc..
> what > do you think will be the long term results? are we already in
> deep > enough that perma-hatred for us to the point of terrorism has
> taken > root? could we not back off and slowly nudge them towards
> the western > world's notions of society by merely gradual
> introductions to things > that all humans like such as 'twinkies',
> 'cable tv', britney's belly > button, scotch, wanton sex with young
> whore-lets, wanton soup, > shopping malls rife with girls in a
> frenzie of fashion, sex and > shopping,.....pork sausage, the NFL,
> waterslide parks, and shopping on > Melrose....and then just wait for
> them to "come around"? it seems > like everyone else does if left
> alone. if we followed your reasoning > to a 'T', it seems like
> vietnam was a good idea and we shouldve > attacked the USSR back in
> the day. or...cuba wouldve been annexed, > and further cold-war
> tensions wouldve arisen. what youre suggesting > pretty much
> necessitates wiping out Islam - not a bad idea...but > rather
> impossible to accomplish. the ideologies of the enemy arent > going
> to go anywhere or lessen...when dealing with crazies, it is oft >
> times better to wait them out and let them hang themselves so to >
> speak. not all situations have a winning situation. this may be one
> > of them. > It is not possible to wait out the suicidal faithful in
> a nuclear
> world. That having been said, our argument is not with islam per se,
> but with those contrarily medieval and and puritanical strains of it
> that are eager, for the sake of a promised Paradise, to pull a Samson
> on us, if they can but just grasp the nuclear pillars. We have to
> demonstrate to them the pre-emptive power of human freedom.
> Otherwise, they will demonstrate to us, once again and to a far
> greater measure, the vicious, heartless and heedless power of
> celestial dogmatic bondage.
> Let us not forget that many of the 9/11 terror flyers met in Las
> Vegas prior to their fateful mission, and that the sight of that
> forbidden yet tempting spectacle only served to steel their martyr's
> resolve. They felt compelled by the temptation to their immortal
> souls, and the threat to those of countless others, to proceed to wage
> collective terminal jihad before they irretriveably yielded to the
> freely available pleasures they had tasted.
> >
> > drsebby.
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> > Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: RE: virus: IRC debate
> > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:06:25 -0500
> >
> > On 5 Sep 2002 at 19:41, Kalkor wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > [Joe Dees] It seems to me that Hermit is the scared one;
> scared > to > > crawl out of his dark BBS garage and duke it out on
> the email > list > > in clear vision of all the sundry Virus
> neighborhood kids. > > > > > [Kalkor] Dood... are you the *ONLY*
> person who subscribes to > this > > list that is *NOT* paying
> attention???????? It seems pretty > clear to > > me that the whole
> point of this debate acceptance by > Hermit is to > > take the
> annoying argument *OUT* of the mailing list > where the rest > > of
> us have to wade through all the wordy bullshit. > The caustic > >
> little ad hominem attacks and the needlessly verbose > second-hand >
> > quote postings are the entire reason we *WANT* you to > take this
> to > > another forum. Please do so, or we're all slowly > going to
> be > > creating anti-joe filters in our respective email > clients.
> How many > > have already done so, or plan to do so in the > near
> future? Show of > > hands? > > > > <raises his hand> > > > > > Seems
> that by increasing your output, you've shut off all your > > >
> intake. Pay some attention, dood. Talk is cheap because the supply >
> > > outweighs the demand. > > [Joe2] > And this in defence of the >
> notoriously voluminous and wordy Hermit? > Whyncha expend some of >
> this energy that you're burning trying to lure > Hermit outta his >
> hidey-hole, and less trying to lure me in? > > [Kalkor2] > Please, >
> may I have more words stuck into my mouth? Where, exactly, in > my >
> last post, did I "defend" hermit? > > I'm sure it doesn't need to be
> > said again, because it has been said > several times in the last >
> couple days, but hermit's "voluminous and > wordy" posts come from >
> his fingers and brain, which I find valuable. > Your "voluminous and
> > wordy" posts appear as regurgitated drivel from > the minds of
> those > sharing your viewpoint. You would do well to at > least
> alter the > format of your posts to not give this impression. > >
> Moving on to > your second "point"... > > I prefer to spend my
> energy in ways that > benefit me or are useful to > me. Were Hermit
> to come "outta his > hidey-hole" I would not be nearly > so
> benefitted as I would be were > you to move this discussion out of >
> this forum and into one more > appropriate. To be honest, I could
> care > less whether you debate > hermit on this matter. As long as
> you shut the > fuck up for a while, > I'll be happy. > > And fuck
> you. too, BBS denizen! The vast majority of Hermit's > contributions
> here have historically been cut'n'paste bullus shittus > combined
> with snide comments; ifnya need any reminder, check both the > list
> archives and 'Best of Virus' and commence a comparative analysis. >
> When I adopted his tactics as the only available way to counter his >
> list flooding, I am condemned, but not him, who has done so since
> list > time immemorial. Go ahead and filter me, fuckwad! I care
> not, since > your obviously precast opinion is of no consequence
> whatsoever to me. > It'll be YOU who are missing out, not me. > > >
> > Kalkor > > > > > > > DrSebby. > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> > > >
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