From: Hermit (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Sat Sep 14 2002 - 15:28:53 MDT
[Joe Dees] Godwin's Law only applies where the parallels are not manifest; I see the parallels between the European fascist Hitler and the Arabian fascist Saddam (and, I might add, the Serbian fascist Milosevich) as too obvious to ignore, like an elephant in the room whose very presence demands that we address it.
[Hermit] Godwin's law always applies unless Nazi status is claimed by the supposed Nazi, because the parallels are otherwise in the eye of the beholder.
[Joe Dees] Bush was (very disputedly) elected and will have to stand for re-election. Even if he wins a second term, after that, he's US history.
[Hermit] Bush has already succeeded in introducing many limitations in the implementation of the Constitution and is working assidiously to appoint Judges which will alter the character of US law for at least the next 30 years even if she survives as a centralized two party Republic, where the two parties are arguably relatively indistinguishable, where huge numbers of her population are already disenfrashised*, and where her laws are clearly biased to prevent other parties from elbowing into the act.
[Joe Dees] Saddam, OTOH, is a fascist dictator-for-life, who has engaged in aggression, assassination, gassing villages full of women and children, and pursuing nuclear weapons with which to kill masses of people more effectively. It is high time that his forcibly maintained perpetual term in office was truncated.
[Hermit] Saddam Hussein is however, the head of a recognized government and is thus protected from this by the Grand Charter of the UN and the usage of the laws of Nations. We would have to break these laws to oust him. The accusations against Hussein may remain only that due to US emasculation of the Court for Crimes against Humanity and thus remain only that. Accusations.
[Hermit] US support for Israel, her client, which is not only engaged in illegal occupation but also engaged in aggression, assassination, oppressing (and resently killing) villages full of women and children, and possesses nuclear weapons with which to kill masses of people more effectively reduces her legitimacy to make these accusations.
[Joe Dees] A second distinction: Neither Hitler nor Saddam ever left a land which they occupied unless forcibly expelled, and while there, they both brutally subjugated its inhabitants.
[Hermit] Iraq had already formally agreed to a withdrawal from Kuwait when the USA launched Gulf War I.
[Joe Dees] The US, OTOH, has gone into lands where the inhabitants have been brutally subjugated and proceeded to liberate them, and has justifiably been criticized in some instances for subsequently withdrawing from them too soon.
[Hermit] As in the AmerIndian nations, Hawaii, Cuba, etc?
*Ask what percentage of African and Spanish Americans have been jailed and disenfranchised.
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