From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat Sep 14 2002 - 16:07:06 MDT
On 14 Sep 2002 at 15:28, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees] Godwin's Law only applies where the parallels are not
> manifest; I see the parallels between the European fascist Hitler and
> the Arabian fascist Saddam (and, I might add, the Serbian fascist
> Milosevich) as too obvious to ignore, like an elephant in the room
> whose very presence demands that we address it.
>
> [Hermit] Godwin's law always applies unless Nazi status is claimed by
> the supposed Nazi, because the parallels are otherwise in the eye of
> the beholder.
>
Well, they're obviously not here to do so, and Godwin's Law has also to do
with claims against one's interlocuter on one issue or another.
>
> [Joe Dees] Bush was (very disputedly) elected and will have to stand
> for re-election. Even if he wins a second term, after that, he's US
> history.
>
> [Hermit] Bush has already succeeded in introducing many limitations in
> the implementation of the Constitution and is working assidiously to
> appoint Judges which will alter the character of US law for at least
> the next 30 years even if she survives as a centralized two party
> Republic, where the two parties are arguably relatively
> indistinguishable, where huge numbers of her population are already
> disenfranchised*, and where her laws are clearly biased to prevent
> other parties from elbowing into the act.
>
Every president attempts to appoint judges that favor their views to the
bench; the constitutional checks and balances seem to be working well, as
the Democratically-controlled Senate is blocking most of these appointees,
and particularly the more extremist ones. Compared to the security
limitations that were introduced during WW II, the Homeland Security Act
pales by comparison. Members of certain groups, due to circumstances of
relative poverty, are statistically more likely to commit crimes than others,
so they are disproportionately represented in prison populations; if the war
on drug users were to be ended, the number of incarcerated people of all
groups would drop precipitously. And the two parties are easily
distinguished by me, although I would like to see greater participation of
other parties in the process (I'm sure that Dubya is in favor of that, too,
considering what the Green Party candidacy of Ralph Nader did for him).
>
> [Joe Dees] Saddam, OTOH, is a fascist dictator-for-life, who has
> engaged in aggression, assassination, gassing villages full of women
> and children, and pursuing nuclear weapons with which to kill masses
> of people more effectively. It is high time that his forcibly
> maintained perpetual term in office was truncated.
>
> [Hermit] Saddam Hussein is however, the head of a recognized
> government and is thus protected from this by the Grand Charter of the
> UN and the usage of the laws of Nations. We would have to break these
> laws to oust him. The accusations against Hussein may remain only that
> due to US emasculation of the Court for Crimes against Humanity and
> thus remain only that. Accusations.
>
The UN will have to decide whether or not it retains relevance in the post-
9/11 world by voting to enforce adherence to its resolutions vis-a-vis Iraq,
or whether it will become another impotent League of Nations. As far as
the UN Human Rights Commission, it is a sick sad joke, considering that it
is currently chaired by none other than Libya.
>
> [Hermit] US support for Israel, her client, which is not only engaged
> in illegal occupation but also engaged in aggression, assassination,
> oppressing (and recently killing) villages full of women and children,
> and possesses nuclear weapons with which to kill masses of people more
> effectively reduces her legitimacy to make these accusations.
>
Israel has made great efforts to minimize civilian casualties, unlike her
adversaries, who revel in them. The few people it has assassinated, like
Saleh Shehadeh, are serial assassins themselves, and Israel kills them to
spare the lives of those whom they would most certainly kill should they
continue to live. As to killing villages full of women and children, you're
gonna have to come up with the names of those villages (and don't bring
up Sabra and Chatilla in Lebanon; while it is true that the Israelis did
nothing to stop them, it was the Christian Phalangists who committed those
massacres).
>
> [Joe Dees] A second distinction: Neither Hitler nor Saddam ever left
> a land which they occupied unless forcibly expelled, and while there,
> they both brutally subjugated its inhabitants.
>
> [Hermit] Iraq had already formally agreed to a withdrawal from Kuwait
> when the USA launched Gulf War I.
>
Yeah. Right. Sure. Like Lying Saddam's Iraq would've gone through with
it if they hadn't been expelled. Remember how they torched the oilfields as
they left? A horrible ecological disaster, committed without the least
hesitation or regret.
>
> [Joe Dees] The US, OTOH, has gone into lands where the inhabitants
> have been brutally subjugated and proceeded to liberate them, and has
> justifiably been criticized in some instances for subsequently
> withdrawing from them too soon.
>
> [Hermit] As in the AmerIndian nations, Hawaii, Cuba, etc?
>
Well, the Bay of Pigs failed, so the Cubans are still under Castro's
dictatorship. The annexations of the lands of the Amerindians and
Hawaiians occurred a long ways back; much further back that Britain's rule
of India.
As in Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Kuwait, the whole of Europe,
Japan, the Phillipines, South Korea, and many other examples I could
name, but those should suffice.
>
> *Ask what percentage of African and Spanish Americans have been jailed
> and disenfranchised.
>
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