From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat Sep 14 2002 - 23:23:59 MDT
On 14 Sep 2002 at 22:51, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees] Three quarters of the public do not feel as the last
> cartoon depicts, and instead feel that Bush has indeed made his case
> against Saddam.
>
> [Joe Dees] Three quarters of the people, in this case, accurately
> judge that the case has been made.
>
> [Hermit] Note how Joe insinuates "acurately" here. One wonders how he
> could possibly support this when so many credible sources do not.
>
i have filled this list with credible sources that maintain that they DO
accurately understand the situation.
>
> [Hermit] Poor Joe Dees... again his assertions fail in the face of
> facts... as he simply rejected the last reference on the grounds of
> its source, something he has frequently characterised as invalid and
> indicative of meme-infestation, here is another - this time from a
> rightwing slanted, but previously endorsed by Joe Dees, source.
>
This is mere opinion, not facts. Since when did your opinion become
tantamount to fact? Only in your own mind.
>
> [Gallup] Now, most polls show that support levels have returned to
> their pre-Sept. 11 levels; that is, still reflecting majority support
> [Hermit: 50-64%], but lower than in the immediate aftermath of the
> terrorist attacks.
>
> http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr020906.asp
>
> Do you think it is necessary for the Bush administration to get a
> resolution of support from the United Nations before it attacks Iraq,
> or not? Yes: 68%-69%
>
> This does not mean bludgeoning the UN into becoming a rubber stamp for
> US imperialism.
>
75% approve of the US forcing a regime change in Iraq, according to a
Sept. 13th Time/USA Today poll, and in the past ten years, that
percentage has never fallen below 52%, according to a Gallop poll.
And it is not up to you to pull out a crystal ball and decide what people
mean for them. Bush is making his case to the UN and to the US
Congress, just as people have requested, and every time he listens to
them, the people who proffer such prerequisites as a means of blocking
the US from action on the issue either say he didn't do it in a way that
pleases them, or raise the bar by placing additional demands. He is
simply being honest to the UN about their relevance and credibility as a
global peacekeeping body being at stake on this issue.
>
> Do you think the Bush administration has – or has not -- done enough
> to explain to the American public why the U.S. might take military
> action to remove Saddam Hussein from power? No, has not, 58%
>
He has made that case to the UN in part, and Blair will soon release a
dossier that will finish the job. The poll to which you refer was taken on
Sept. 6th, before the UN speech, and the Time/USA Today poll was
taken afterwards. But you know that, and conveniently neglect to
mention it.
>
> [Hermit] One wonders how, if it hasn't been explained well enough to
> the US public, they can make informed decisions? Worth noting that the
> percentage who don't think that it has been explained very well and
> the percentage that think we should go to war are astonishingly
> similar. Do you think these people are like Joe Dees? Being told what
> to think by CNN/Times/Newsweek and the other usual bigoted sources?
>
Bigoted sources such as FOREIGN POLICY, POLICY REVIEW, the
New Yorker, the Atlantic Monthly, etc, instead of 'objective' (sneer)
sources like the Guardian, the Observer, the Progressive and the
Yellow News?
Puh-LEEEZE! This accusation, when one compares your sources with
mine, makes you out to be a buffoon.
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