From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat Sep 21 2002 - 16:55:50 MDT
On 21 Sep 2002 at 16:32, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees] Considering these facts, why should I NOT consider you
> unduly slanted in Hermit's favor?
>
> [Hermit] I think Lucifer's answer can stand on its own. I suggest that
> the fact that Joe Dees cannot accept this, points to his demented
> state.
>
> [hr]
>
> Given that:
> [*]Joe Dees asserts that he and various people who were once serially
> elected to attempt to form a more representative body, yet failed so
> dismally to reach agreement on anything that we dissolved it,
> apparently support his vision of a pro-American CoV; [*]assertion is
> cheap, but running servers expensive; [*]I am not inclined to
> volunteer time or effort to a group with which I seem to have so many
> fundamental differences (as, I suspect, does Lucifer); can we expect
> to see these champions of the zero-integrity Joe Dees' (and Casey’s
> [infra]) vision of the CoV finally making a contribution to running
> the server (http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/support.html), or do they
> intend merely to form an alternative list where they don’t have to
> suffer from the Hermit?
>
It is well worth the financial contribution to rid the list of your noxious
presence, and yes, i am willing to shoulder it.
>
> Perhaps Joe Dees should be discussing this with Casey? (refer
> http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=51;action=display;threadi
> d=26545;start=0If you want to join an email list that has a bit of
> gumption, and the fortitude to address issues of national security, as
> well as, the principles of what USED to be the Church of Virus, then
> email me at cmanisca@hotmail.com.) You might be intrigued to note that
> several members of the CoV have been displeased by Hermit, and his
> minions, point of view.
>
> As a note to all Virians, Lucifer has previously requested both
> financial and cognitive support (as did I) and this does not appear to
> have been particularly forthcoming. Certainly, nobody seems to be
> disagreeing with Joe Dees’ assertion that most here support him. Even
> after Lucifer was forced to ask, “Can someone provide me with a good
> reason to allow Joe Dees to continue posting to my server?” (In
> response to [Joe Dees] “…and they will remain there, unless David, for
> some inexplicably perverted and memetically mesmerized reason,
> cognitively travel south from your ally pocket and begins sucking
> your ideologically (sic) syphilitic dick, for as long as the list
> remains…” there was a deafening silence.
>
But many (and I have listed them) responded to David's queries,
prompting his departure. most of them have abandoned this list due to
your bloviating and overbearing manner.
>
> So this was seemingly an "accurate" presentient statement by Joe Dees.
> And Lucifer and I are apparently both "perverted and memetically
> mesmerized." But like all "presentience", I suggest that it depended
> on creating a situation where the prediction could be made to come
> true by the person making it.
>
You have more that amply fulfilled your own prophecies there, by
cynical design, I'll wager. Such as insulting peoples' mothers, and
moving their cartoons, but not yours.
>
> You see, as Joe Dees knows, or once did, rationality (shared agreement
> of supportable perception) is always measured by joint communication.
> Thus Joe Dees would indeed be correct when he assets that we are
> irrational, should Lucifer or I remain here in the absence of support.
> So he jabs forcefully at these memetic buttons in the hope that
> Lucifer, or I, or both of us, will acknowledge his accusation by
> remaining, or acknowledge his presentience, by leaving.
>
I do not wish david to leave; it is YOU who are the malignant and
virulent phage infecting and inflicting this list.
>
> There are perhaps a lot of incorrect assumptions being made here - and
> not just by Joe Dees. One is that nobody can force a volunteer to
> continue volunteering where the volunteer fundamentally disagrees with
> what his work is being put to. Another is that rational people do not
> force themselves upon those who do not desire their company. And most
> of all, as Virus was founded to provide a rational environment, and
> certainly not one in which confidential material is broadcast or where
> threats are regarded as acceptable behavior, and given that Joe Dees
> is able to assert that it is so regarded due to the lack of objection,
> Lucifer and I have now withdrawn. (Refer also "Re:I know your game,
> Hermit...and am countering it", Lucifer, Reply #4, 2002-09-21
> (http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadi
> d=26673)).
>
> I suggest that the fact that Joe Dees apparently cannot recognize what
> this says about him, points to his demented state.
>
Your previous actions have not only defined you, but denied you all
credibility with which to make such claims.
>
> As for "Re:I know your game, Hermit...and am countering it", Joe Dees,
> Reply #5, 2002-09-21
> (http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadi
> d=26673) For David, the God of Virus, to leave in a huff and cede
> godlike and unfettered power to his designated Pope Hermit solves
> nothing, and in fact worsens matters. it is as usual quite delusional.
> You see, Lucifer and I are quite competent to diagnose your memeplex.
> Curing it is sometthing only you can do. When you recognise it. You
> have asserted that there is nothing wrong with you. I guess it is now
> time for others to speak up. Are you going to determine that the vast
> majority of the world, bar you (and possibly Rumsfeld and dubya) are
> insane before you are done? I suggest that the fact that Joe Dees
> apparently cannot recognize that the company he is keeping has
> affected his brain, points to his demented state.
>
And, absent the fact that an ad populam fallacy is being indulged in
here, it is on my side, as the poll I posted shows that 75% of the
citizens of this country, who have access to multiple and differing-in-
perspectinve outlets of a free press, agree with me, and not you.
>
> I too will "look in, in a week or a month or a year." Then again, now
> that Virians have a somewhat more complete view of this affair, and
> know that neither Lucifer or I will be interfering, they can all join
> with Joe Dees and demonstrate how much less discriminatory the "new
> Virus" is going to be - if that is truly what they want.
>
It will be a much better place without your overbearing guruship and the
slavish worship of your dittohead acolytes.
>
> "Huff" nothing. *poof*
>
Good riddance!
> ----
> This message was posted by Hermit to the Virus 2002 board on Church of
> Virus BBS.
> <http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=51;action=display;thread
> id=26626>
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