From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun Sep 22 2002 - 13:40:35 MDT
On 22 Sep 2002 at 15:28, Calvin Ashmore wrote:
>
> Normally I'm not a poster, but I feel like I need to say something...
>
> I used to reccomend Virus as an intellectual discussion group which
> was insightful, engaging, and very brilliant. I realized yesterday, I
> was about to refer someone to the list and then thought better of it.
>
> This mailing list has become childish, venomous, and pitiable. It is a
> sad sight to see when great arguers and posters lower themselves to
> insult each other with such rage and hostility. This isn't the fault
> of one of Hermit or Joe, this is become absurd by the encouragement of
> both of you. What's worse is how you blame the degredation of the list
> on each other, both launch into attacks on each other's character, and
> no matter what direction the list starts to veer by anyone else's
> hand, it continues to be brought back to politics.
>
> I in no way am saying that US politics and foreign policy and stance
> towards Iraq is not important. But for the list now, what good has the
> discussion of it accomplished? Have any of the posts made, and
> challenges of theories actually resulted in anything positive? Each
> vantage point has such weight and passion invested into it, that it is
> frightful. Both sides defend themselves and attack each other, and
> never budge. The memetic resolve here remains unshaken.
>
> That saddens me, and I see no way around it, so I propose to leave it
> alone. No one has convinced anyone else on this of anything insightful
> in months.
>
> The bullshit I've been reading through this time has been absurd. No
> one of you can excuse yourself though any means, I've lost a great
> deal of respect for this list, and the only way for it to come back is
> to move on.
>
> The other great posters have vanished... Where have Zloduska, Walter,
> Casey, Bill and others gone? Thank you Sebby for staying here... And I
> don't care who blocked who in the past, as I understand it, all bans
> seem to have been removed now...
>
> Please someone post something about the NewScientist competition, or
> about the antigravity propulsion thread from a couple of days ago, or
> something worthwhile hearing about...
>
> I miss the list as I remember it.
> And if this post is followed up by another series of political
> garbage, or another slew of venomous attacks from *anyone's* hand, I'm
> going be just another one who walked away.
>
> Thank you.
>
Bill Roh, Casey Maniscato, Walter Watts, KMO, magicjim and, to a
large extent, Jonathan Davis all left or ceased posting because of
Hermit; I have informed them of his exit and asked them to return.
> ---
> Calvin Ashmore
> http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~coa
> "Don't worry, the worst is yet to come!"
>
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