From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 22 2002 - 16:05:11 MDT
...Joe, after reading this post...doesnt it occur to you that it would
perhaps be the cool thing to do, for you of all people to NOT be the first
to reply to it since you have been half of this current situation? can't
you stop? just stop...no last words of explanation or justification...just
stop. it would be the ethical thing for you to do right now.
drsebby.
----Original Message Follows----
From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: annoyed
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:40:35 -0500
On 22 Sep 2002 at 15:28, Calvin Ashmore wrote:
>
> Normally I'm not a poster, but I feel like I need to say something...
>
> I used to reccomend Virus as an intellectual discussion group which
> was insightful, engaging, and very brilliant. I realized yesterday, I
> was about to refer someone to the list and then thought better of it.
>
> This mailing list has become childish, venomous, and pitiable. It is a
> sad sight to see when great arguers and posters lower themselves to
> insult each other with such rage and hostility. This isn't the fault
> of one of Hermit or Joe, this is become absurd by the encouragement of
> both of you. What's worse is how you blame the degredation of the list
> on each other, both launch into attacks on each other's character, and
> no matter what direction the list starts to veer by anyone else's
> hand, it continues to be brought back to politics.
>
> I in no way am saying that US politics and foreign policy and stance
> towards Iraq is not important. But for the list now, what good has the
> discussion of it accomplished? Have any of the posts made, and
> challenges of theories actually resulted in anything positive? Each
> vantage point has such weight and passion invested into it, that it is
> frightful. Both sides defend themselves and attack each other, and
> never budge. The memetic resolve here remains unshaken.
>
> That saddens me, and I see no way around it, so I propose to leave it
> alone. No one has convinced anyone else on this of anything insightful
> in months.
>
> The bullshit I've been reading through this time has been absurd. No
> one of you can excuse yourself though any means, I've lost a great
> deal of respect for this list, and the only way for it to come back is
> to move on.
>
> The other great posters have vanished... Where have Zloduska, Walter,
> Casey, Bill and others gone? Thank you Sebby for staying here... And I
> don't care who blocked who in the past, as I understand it, all bans
> seem to have been removed now...
>
> Please someone post something about the NewScientist competition, or
> about the antigravity propulsion thread from a couple of days ago, or
> something worthwhile hearing about...
>
> I miss the list as I remember it.
> And if this post is followed up by another series of political
> garbage, or another slew of venomous attacks from *anyone's* hand, I'm
> going be just another one who walked away.
>
> Thank you.
>
Bill Roh, Casey Maniscato, Walter Watts, KMO, magicjim and, to a
large extent, Jonathan Davis all left or ceased posting because of
Hermit; I have informed them of his exit and asked them to return.
> ---
> Calvin Ashmore
> http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~coa
> "Don't worry, the worst is yet to come!"
>
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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