From: Walter Watts (wlwatts@cox.net)
Date: Fri Dec 26 2003 - 20:00:52 MST
Just a little memetic poison from the sorcerers of old....
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Hebrews 11:1 says:
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
*******Bullshit!********
Walter says:
Evidence is the substance of things seen, faith is the hope of things
not seen.
Erik Aronesty wrote:
> OK, I've been doing a lot of work in this area since this discussion started.
>
> I encourage you to "try on" these definitions in your reading and in your life to see if/how they work.
>
> I know that they are not the "ultimate" definitions, nor are they the "only" definitons. However, they are powerful and effective ways of thinking about the issues of trust and faith.
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> A strong distinction between trust and faith brings clarity and simplicity into Virian thinking.
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> Trust:
>
> 1. "a rational expectation of a particular result or behavior based on prior experience" as in "he can be trusted to arrive on time"
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> 2. "a reasoned expectation of honesty and overall good behavior, based on prior interaction" as in "I trust him like a brother"
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> Trust without a basis in experience, logic or reason is Faith.
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> A Virian might be cautious not to confuse these two terms and remain present to this power that this distinction offers.
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> Faith:
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> 1. "an expectation of an outcome based on expedience or necessity, rather than experience" as in "I had no time to test the program, so I had to run it on faith"
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> 2. "an unreasonable or illogical expectation of an outcome intended to inspire others in that outcome and produce results" as in, "Ghandi had faith in a free India"
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> Faith, defined in this way, is clearly useful in specific circumstances.
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> A Virian who is understanding in these uses of trust and faith can employ them as tools in appropriate situations.
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> NOTE: These memetic distinctions are crafted so as to empower the person who uses them in their life. They are not intended as "truth" or to be "dictionary correct" definitions.
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