Re:virus: War & Peace / Rethinking Iraq

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Date: Thu May 06 2004 - 12:53:46 MDT

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    Another Joe Dees's Trusted Sources: SLATE

    Well, I'm sure we all know these quotes below...

    But here's the main reason why things are so f*cked for
    Americans in Iraq and around the world: http://slate.msn.com/id/2100015/
    And will continue to be to the far far distant future.
    To sum it all up: Because they only think of themselves.

    Now Joe, go make them see and think of the other side too.

    // Jei

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2100014/

    Rape Rooms: A Chronology
    What Bush said as the Iraq prison scandal unfolded.
    By William Saletan
    Updated Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 7:54 PM PT

    "The Iraqi people are now free. And they do not have to worry about the
    secret police coming after them in the middle of the night, and they don't
    have to worry about their husbands and brothers being taken off and shot,
    or their wives being taken to rape rooms. Those days are over."Paul
    Bremer, Administrator, [Iraq] Coalition Provisional Authority, Sept. 2,
    2003

    "Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers."President Bush, remarks
    to 2003 Republican National Committee Presidential Gala, Oct. 8, 2003

    "There was an announcement by the Iraqi Governing Council earlier this
    week about the tribunal that they have set up to hold accountable members
    of the former regime who were responsible for three decades of brutality
    and atrocities. We know about the mass graves and the rape rooms and the
    torture chambers of Saddam Hussein's regime. We welcome their decision to
    move forward on a tribunal to hold people accountable for those
    atrocities."Bush Press Secretary Scott McClellan, White House press
    briefing, Dec. 10, 2003

    "One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and torture
    rooms and rape rooms."Bush, press availability in Monterrey, Mexico, Jan.
    12, 2004

    "On 19 January 2004, Lieutenant General (LTG) Ricardo S. Sanchez,
    Commander, Combined Joint Task Force Seven (CJTF-7) requested that the
    Commander, US Central Command, appoint an Investigating Officer (IO) in
    the grade of Major General (MG) or above to investigate the conduct of
    operations within the 800th Military Police (MP) Brigade. LTG Sanchez
    requested an investigation of detention and internment operations by the
    Brigade from 1 November 2003 to present. LTG Sanchez cited recent reports
    of detainee abuse."Report by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba to Lt. Gen.
    Ricardo Sanchez, senior U.S. military official in Iraq, describing a
    formal inquiry launched on Jan. 19, 2004

    Continue Article

    "Sources have revealed new details from the Army's criminal investigation
    into reports of abuse of Iraqi detainees, including the location of the
    suspected crimes and evidence that is being sought. U.S. soldiers
    reportedly posed for photographs with partially unclothed Iraqi prisoners,
    a Pentagon official told CNN on Tuesday."Barbara Starr, CNN, Jan. 21, 2004

    "Saddam Hussein now sits in a prison cell, and Iraqi men and women are no
    longer carried to torture chambers and rape rooms "Bush, remarks on
    "Winston Churchill and the War on Terror," Feb. 4, 2004

    "Seventeen U.S. soldiers have been suspended of duties pending the outcome
    of the investigation into alleged allegations of abuse of Iraqi prisoners,
    a U.S. officer said Monday."Associated Press, Feb. 23, 2004

    "[B]etween October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement
    Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton
    criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and
    illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several
    members of the military police guard force. The allegations of abuse were
    substantiated by detailed witness statements (ANNEX 26) and the discovery
    of extremely graphic photographic evidence. I find that the intentional
    abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following
    acts:

    a. Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

    b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

    c. Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for
    photographing;

    d. Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for
    several days at a time;

    e. Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;

    f. Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being
    photographed and videotaped;

    g. Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

    h. Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head,
    and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric
    torture;

    j. Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and having
    a female soldier pose for a picture;

    k. A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

    l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and
    frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring
    a detainee

    These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by
    several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and
    witness statements.

    In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse,
    which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of
    their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
    (ANNEX 26):

    a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on
    detainees;

    b. Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

    c. Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

    d. Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

    e. Threatening male detainees with rape;

    g. Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick."

    Executive summary of Taguba report, finalized Feb. 29, 2004, briefed to
    superiors on March 3, 2004, and submitted in final form on March 9, 2004

    "Every woman in Iraq is better off because the rape rooms and torture
    chambers of Saddam Hussein are forever closed."Bush, remarks on "Efforts
    to Globally Promote Women's Human Rights," March 12, 2004

    "There's still remnants of that regime that would like to take it back.
    They could torture people and have rape rooms, and the world would turn
    their head from that and let it happen. But they can't do that
    anymore."Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, BBC interview, March 16, 2004

    "There are no more rape rooms and torture chambers in Iraq."National
    Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, CBS Early Show, March 19, 2004

    "As you know, on 14 January 2004, a criminal investigation was initiated
    to examine allegations of detainee abuse at the Baghdad confinement
    facility at Abu Ghraib. Shortly thereafter, the commanding general of
    Combined Joint Task Force Seven requested a separate administrative
    investigation into systemic issues such as command policies and internal
    procedures related to detention operations. That administrative
    investigation is complete; however, the findings and recommendations have
    not been approved. As a result of the criminal investigation, six military
    personnel have been charged with criminal offenses to include conspiracy,
    dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault, and indecent acts
    with another."--Brigadier Gen. Mark Kimmitt, Deputy Director for Coalition
    Operations, Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, March 20, 2004

    "Correspondent Brooke Hart: But in a 53-page secret report, Army Major
    General Antonio Taguba says an investigation found a disturbing pattern of
    sadistic, blatant, wanton criminal abuses. The report was completed in
    February, but the Pentagon said Defense Secretary Rumsfeld hadn't read it.
    Democratic lawmakers are frustrated. Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M.: This is
    an unacceptable response. That's not the level of concern the American
    people would expect of their military commanders for this type of
    conduct.""Pentagon officials to answer tough questions from the Senate
    Armed Services Committee regarding Iraqi prisoner abuse," CNBC, April 4,
    2004

    "SFC Snider grabbed my prisoner and threw him into a pile. . I saw SSG
    Frederic, SGT Davis and CPL Graner walking around the pile hitting the
    prisoners. I remember SSG Frederick hitting one prisoner in the side of
    its [sic] ribcage. The prisoner was no danger to SSG Frederick. I saw two
    naked detainees, one masturbating to another kneeling with its mouth
    open."Testimony of Military Police Specialist Matthew Wisdom, hearing on
    charges of prisoner abuse, April 9, 2004; according to The New Yorker,
    "After the hearing, the presiding investigative officer ruled that there
    was sufficient evidence to convene a court-martial."

    "The investigation started after SPC Darby got a CD from CPL Graner. He
    came across pictures of naked detainees."Testimony of Special Agent Scott
    Bobeck, Army Criminal Investigation Division, same hearing, April 9, 2004

    "Two weeks ago, 60 Minutes II received an appeal from the Defense
    Department, and eventually from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
    Gen. Richard Myers, to delay this broadcastgiven the danger and tension on
    the ground in Iraq."CBS News statement on its broadcast of photographs of
    Iraqi prisoner abuse, April 29, 2004, referring to a DOD appeal received
    on or near April 15, 2004

    "Our military is performing brilliantly. See, the transition from torture
    chambers and rape rooms and mass graves and fear of authority is a tough
    transition. And they're doing the good work of keeping this country
    stabilized as a political process unfolds."Bush, remarks on "Tax Relief
    and the Economy," Iowa, April 15, 2004

    "We're facing supporters of the outlaw cleric, remnants of Saddam's regime
    that are still bitter that they don't have the position to run the torture
    chambers and rape rooms. They will fail because they do not speak for the
    vast majority of Iraqis who do not want to replace one tyrant with
    another. They will fail because the will of our coalition is strong. They
    will fail because America leads a coalition full of the finest military
    men and women in the world."Bush, remarks on the USA Patriot Act,
    Pennsylvania, April 19, 2004

    "We acted, and there are no longer mass graves and torture rooms and rape
    rooms in Iraq."Bush, remarks at Victory 2004 Reception, Florida, April 23,
    2004

    "The pictures show Americans, men and women, in military uniforms, posing
    with naked Iraqi prisoners. There are shots of the prisoners stacked in a
    pyramid, one with a slur written on his skin in English. In some, the male
    prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other. And in most of
    the pictures, the Americans are laughing, posing, pointing, or giving the
    camera a thumbs-up."Dan Rather, 60 Minutes II, April 28, 2004

    "A year ago, I did give the speech from the carrier, saying that we had
    achieved an important objective, that we'd accomplished a mission, which
    was the removal of Saddam Hussein. And as a result, there are no longer
    torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq."Bush, remarks in
    the Rose Garden, April 30, 2004

    "There are those who seek to derail the transition to democracy because
    they want to return to the days of mass graves and torture chambers and
    rape rooms. But that's not going to happen."McClellan, White House press
    briefing, April 30, 2004

    "A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New Yorker, written by Major
    General Antonio M. Taguba listed some of the wrongdoing: 'Breaking
    chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring
    cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a
    chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police
    guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being
    slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a
    chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs
    to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
    instance actually biting a detainee.' "Seymour M. Hersh, "Torture at Abu
    Ghraib," The New Yorker, posted April 30, 2004

    "Because we acted, torture rooms are closed, rape rooms no longer exist,
    mass graves are no longer a possibility in Iraq."Bush, remarks at "Ask
    President Bush" event, Michigan, May 3, 2004

    "I'm not a lawyer. My impression is that what has been charged thus far is
    abuse, which I believe technically is different from torture. I don't
    know if it is correct to say what you just said, that torture has taken
    place, or that there's been a conviction for torture. And therefore I'm
    not going to address the torture word."Rumsfeld, Defense Department
    Operational Update Briefing, May 4, 2004

    "It's very important for people, your listeners, to understand in our
    country that when an issue is brought to our attention on this magnitude,
    we actand we act in a way where leaders are willing to discuss it with the
    media. And we act in a way where, you know, our Congress asks pointed
    questions to the leadership. Iraq was a unique situation because Saddam
    Hussein had constantly defied the world and had threatened his neighbors,
    had used weapons of mass destruction, had terrorist ties, had torture
    chambers "Bush, interview with Al Arabiya Television, May 5, 2004

    William Saletan is Slate's chief political correspondent and author of
    Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War.

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