From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed Aug 14 2002 - 18:43:56 MDT
On 14 Aug 2002 at 18:10, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Hermit 1] In contravention of the Convention to Prevent Genocide, the
> United States took and is taking deliberate action designed to cause
> and disseminate lethal pathologies in Iraq in the anticipation that
> this would eventually lead to revolution. Instead about 1 million of
> the children of Iraq have died of these diseases.
>
> [Joe Dees 2] You sound like we are passing out the smallpox blankets;
> pure unadulterated Bullus Shittus of the rankest Hermitian grade.
>
> [Hermit 3] I note you don't read links. Google Search Term "bomb iraq
> water cholera nagy"
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/index_iraq.html <-
> Superb, a lot of excellent links
>
> [Hermit 3] I have previously posted the links to the DOD sites which
> contain the referenced declassified documents which show intent. I
> think the onus is now on you to do what you have not yet attempted and
> show why your assertion that this is "Bullus Shittus" is not just an
> angry wail of denial.
>
> [Hermit 3] Here is a sample document providing all the required data.
> Respond to it.
>
> <snip>
>
> [Joe Dees 4] We did degrade their water supplies, but we didn't
> actively infect the people (as the analogy to passing out smallpox
> blankets would have indicated), although we did, and had good reason
> to, suspect that nature would do that for us, in the absence of the
> good sense by the Iraqi population to boil their drinking water prior
> to consuming it. I wonder if Saddam Hussein even tried to tell his
> people to boil their drinking water, and if not, if he refused to do
> so because he was all too willing to have some of them die in order to
> exploit a propaganda point. I wish the US had not taken this action,
> but instead had had the good sense to finish the job of ousting Saddam
> during the Gulf War. We need to finish it now, for everyone's
> benefit; ours, the neigboring countries in the region, and the
> population of Iraq.
>
> [Hermit 5] When an environment contains sufficient vectors it is
> almost impossible to prevent infection. That was why the US expected
> this result. In any case, as the US predicted, most Iraqi have
> difficulty obtaining water at all. In addition, again as predicted,
> they don't have the ability to boil their water as the electricity
> infrastructure was also destroyed (read the US reports). Iraq was an
> industrialized electrified society, so no, most Iraqis don't have fuel
> powered stoves that could use fuel if they could get it. Their
> infrastructure was so badly damaged that making new stoves is not a
> reality and even if they could, most Iraqi couldn't buy them. Most
> Iraqi are broke or close to it.
>
They couldn't build fires? Puh-LEEEZE!
>
> [Hermit 5] So:The internal documents show that the US was fully aware
> of the probable consequences The internal documents show that the US
> took the illegal actions of destroying civilian infrastructure any
> way. The internal documents show that the US deliberately prevented a
> solution to the subsequent disaster. The external documents show that
> the result has been the death of over a million children.
>
The documents show that Saddam himself did not distribute either
potable water or medical supplies, and apparently did not instruct his
own people to boil their water, successfully hoping that the resutant
deaths would influence people like Hermit into embracing the satrap
Saddam.
>
> [Hermit 5] Joe Dees raised a strawman and then tried to say that they
> US didn't create the diseases, so the deaths from them are not the US'
> responsibility even though the US planned for this result, and
> implemented those plans.
>
It crerated conditions where if basic and easily implementable
precautions, such as boiling drinking water, were not implemented, then
disease could result.
>
> [Hermit 5] I would suggest that far from disproving "In contravention
> of the Convention to Prevent Genocide, the United States took and is
> taking deliberate action designed to cause and disseminate lethal
> pathologies in Iraq in the anticipation that this would eventually
> lead to revolution.
>
The US disseminated nothing. You have not shown that a single
bacterium or virus was seeded into Iraq by the US. If you can provide
such proof, then put it up; otherwise shut up concerning your egregious,
outrageos, hysterical and faalcious claims that the US dropped disease
pathogens upon the Iraqi people. Disminative biowarfare is the object
of Iraqi weapons programs.
>
> Instead about 1 million of the children of Iraq
> have died of these diseases." the only reasonable conclusion is that
> my assertion was well founded and that it is Joe Dees who is speaking
> "pure unadulterated Bullus Shittus of the rankest Deesian grade."
>
And what was that assertion? That the US had taken disseminative
active action to intentionally infect the Iraqi people? That one has not
been grounded at all, by any evidence whatsoever.
>
> [Hermit 5] In conclusion, Joe Dees' additional assertion that "We need
> to finish [finish the job of ousting Saddam] now, for everyone's
> benefit; ours, the neigboring countries in the region, and the
> population of Iraq" is as spurious, unfounded and self interested a
> delusion as ever raged, and I challenge Joe Dees to attempt to support
> it with particular reference to the Kurds and neighbors of Iraq. He
> need not support the US interest. That is self-evident.
>
The Kurds are only surviving (as are the Shiites) because the coalition
continues to enforce a no-fly zone that prevents Saddam Hussein from
continuing to perpetrate his genocidal depredations,, including chemical
warfare attacks, upon them. Kuwait remains as a sovereign nation only
because the coalition expelled Saddam Hussein's annexing force from
their land, an action which deterred saddam from his actual goal, an
invasion of Saudi arabia and conquest of the entire Arabian Peninsula.
Saddam has attacked Israel with SCUD missiles, is paying Palestinian
suicide bombers a 25k bounty per to slaughter Israeli children, is
training a force in Baghdad named the Jerusalem army, tasked with the
purpose of 'liberating' that city, and has threatened to use nukes, which
he is activle attempting to obtain, upon both the US and Israel.
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